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I was reading the news the other day about a man whose house was broken into, and the homeowner woke up, luckily the burglar fled when he heard someone was up.

Just curious if anyone has had to actually "defend" themselves or homes in situations? I personally have not, thankfully.

Tis okay if some wish to not talk about their experiences...like I said, I'm just curious.
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In the UK we live in a compensation culture where the victims of crime are the ones punished due to this case - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
- there was a change in the law allowing 'reasonable' force to defend yourself and your property. It's wide open to abuse though and due to the amount of paperwork involved in small crimes these are often not dealt with.

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Here is Texas, they are working on changing the laws in the other direction. The proposed change will allow anyone feeling threatened in any way by another person, whether in their home or not, the legal right to shoot first and ask questions later. This is not a joke - this is now under consideration for law in Texas.

See the following link: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

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Here is Texas, they are working on changing the laws in the other direction. The proposed change will allow anyone feeling threatened in any way by another person, whether in their home or not, the legal right to shoot first and ask questions later. This is not a joke - this is now under consideration for law in Texas.

See the following link: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines
Jeb Bush already got that law passed in Florida. It sure makes me feel safe to know that any A-hole who has a problem with me can just walk up and shoot me, later claiming I was "threatening him", as long as no other witnesses are around. Or, just be standing around, get hit by a stray bullet, and nobody is to blame:

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Florida legislators, who in 2005 were the first in the nation to enact a "stand your ground" statute, are already rethinking the law. The case driving a possible change involves 9-year-old Sherdavia Jenkins, who was killed by a stray bullet last summer as she played in her yard. The two men charged in her death could invoke the "stand your ground" law; each could say he was acting in self-defense during a shootout in the girl's neighborhood.
What the heck is wrong with people when this kind of activity is seen as understandable???? I hope the NRA will be proud of this victory for the two men when they both get off!! Doubt they will talk to the girl's family, but what you they say? "stuff happens, lady."

I can understand the guy in England trying to defend his home, but if he didn't have a gun he shouldn't have hadi n the first place, chances are a confused teenager would have had a chance to grow up and be a decent person. Shooting someone in the back is about the most coward-like behavior I can think of and just another example of why people shouldn't be trusted with such deadly weapons. People, as a whole, just can't be trusted with them.
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As a retired cop I have gone through a few scenarios with my wife in case she is at home and someone breaks into our home. I still have my duty weapon that was signed over to me when I retired, and she is well aware of how to use it . The main thing I told her was if they are in our house and you shoot them, just make sure they fall inside, and not outside. (just kidding) With that being said I'm not an advocate to shoot people just because they break into my house, BUT, if she is threatened in any way she and I will defend ourselves.

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In the UK we live in a compensation culture where the victims of crime are the ones punished due to this case - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
- there was a change in the law allowing 'reasonable' force to defend yourself and your property. It's wide open to abuse though and due to the amount of paperwork involved in small crimes these are often not dealt with.
Oh smooth referring to a man that Shoot Someone hid the Gun and then left them to die. Not exactly the actions of an innocent man now is it?

Here is what the CPS says...
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As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.
The fact that Tony Martin first laid in wait for the Criminals, gives the fact that it wasn't an act of Self Defence through fear and was actually a cold calculated murder. He knew that they would return and instead of making steps to protect himself he purchased a Gun illegally and killed them.

Back on Topic, I've never had to but a Friend of the Family found one in the House and he beat him up and throw him out of the Upstairs window, he received a Prison Sentence. He didn't believe in the Incapacitate and wait method.

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Jeb Bush already got that law passed in Florida. It sure makes me feel safe to know that any A-hole who has a problem with me can just walk up and shoot me, later claiming I was "threatening him", as long as no other witnesses are around.
So i guess eventually we'll all have to tote pieces to defend ourselves from people who are "easily threatened".
I guess the next step would be to make dueling legal again? :bomb:

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Illinois is decently strict on their gun laws despite all the amount of country and Republicans. Chicago just filled with so many Democrats it's ubsurd.
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As a retired cop I have gone through a few scenarios with my wife in case she is at home and someone breaks into our home. I still have my duty weapon that was signed over to me when I retired, and she is well aware of how to use it . The main thing I told her was if they are in our house and you shoot them, just make sure they fall inside, and not outside. (just kidding) With that being said I'm not an advocate to shoot people just because they break into my house, BUT, if she is threatened in any way she and I will defend ourselves.
Isn't it true that if a burglar you shoot is inside your house, it is a self defense. But, if a burglar (alleged) you shoot was not in your house yet, then it is not self defense (a murder)?

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Isn't it true that if a burglar you shoot is inside your house, it is a self defense. But, if a burglar (alleged) you shoot was not in your house yet, then it is not self defense (a murder)?
The law varies from state to state, and sad to say how good a person's lawyer is.

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Isn't it true that if a burglar you shoot is inside your house, it is a self defense. But, if a burglar (alleged) you shoot was not in your house yet, then it is not self defense (a murder)?
California has some contridictions in its laws. In real life if the burglar is out side the house and you shoot, most likely you will go to jail, and be wide open to all kinds of lawsuits. If the burglar is inside the house it's a bit different, but you will still be open to all kinds lf lawsuits and legal hassles.

Ask any cop and they will tell you if he is outside, drag him inside before calling them... But no matter which way you go in California your going to be in for big time legal hassles and lawsuits. California courts seem bent on defending the law breakers and punishing the victums.

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Ask any cop and they will tell you if he is outside, drag him inside before calling them...
In which case it will look like you are trying to make a murder look like self defence and will definitely get some "legal hassles".

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Never had to defend my home. Had my house broken into twice now, though. I always carry my Lexan Knuckles with me for self defence.
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In which case it will look like you are trying to make a murder look like self defence and will definitely get some "legal hassles".

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This is true if they can prove it.... but what they are telling you is DO NOT shoot them outside the house...or your in deep deep doo...and in California anytime you pull a trigger you got problems no matter what. The courts are famous for things like giving burglars large amounts in cases where they have been hurt. You don't even have to be there, if they break in to your place and get hurt in the process they can sue and manytimes win.

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Didn't we just HAVE this thread?

We have concealed carry here, and yes it has saved one life already in my house. And when I used to deliver pizza it saved it a few times.

I have never had to shoot anyone. But to say that the carry laws allow anyone to "shoot first and ask questions later" is pure propaganda.

If I was to actually shoot someone, even in the most justified self defense, I'd spend a week in jail and a LOT of time in court. And if my endangerment was not VERY cut and dried, I'd be in for a lot of legal trouble and jail.

But for those of us who live in places where the police don't often show up it is quite literally the only thing between us, the gangs, and in the case of some of my friends the hate crimes.

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