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Vista rant ... sooooo glad I'm a long time switcher!


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Firstly, I'm a PC builder, have been for many years, but not big time. i.e I usually only do it to order for friends and family (apart from a brief dalliance with mobile, car and boat, computers).

Secondly, my personal choice of OS is OS X follower by Ubuntu as a close second. My MacBook has dual boot OSX and XP (using the BootCamp Beta) AND Parallels with XP and two Linux Distros installed, so I do know a thing or two about installing OSs.

Today as a favour to a friend I offered to upgrade their PC to the 21st century, so one new motherboard (a 939 AMD mini ATX card), one new PSU and some RAM I had knocking around later I was ready to install a version of Windoze. It just so happened that the already installed XP-Pro OS was of dubious origin (a "friend" of hers had installed it some time ago, no discs, no activation code etc) and the activation code sticky (for XP-Home version) on the machine was useless as there was no OS Install disc for it.

Obviously the existing OS did not like the new motherboard (wouldn't even boot into safe mode) so I, stupidly as it turned out, decided to install Vista for her, a brand spanking new OEM version labelled "Home-Premium". They even throw in a plastic DVD case for it which is a first for MS OEM OSs.

It flatly refuses to install and as I was already aware that it can be a little finicky about hardware I tried everything, 4 different hard drives, several differnt video cards, even different RAM sticks, all to no avail.

Rather frustrated that I couldn't get the thing to install (after all in the last 25 years I've never actually failed completely to install an MS OS) I decided to visit the "Vista install problems" forum, it is currently 245 pages long, not a single thread of 245 pages mind you, that is 245 pages of threads!

No help there either, currently I'm trying the install XP first then Vista on top approach, I'll let you know how I get on.

God how I hate PCs!

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Yuck is right!

I never could understand the logic behind that OS myself but then again I have seldom used it. On those rare occasions, I never saw anything that sparked an interest in me nor make me want to pursue the experience longer. Meh.
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Yep, and quite aside from being pigish about installing, it is also just a pig. It seems to eat RAM for breakfast and ask for more. So far, all the reports I have seen suggest that 1 GB of RAM is the *minimum* - to behave even remotely decently you need 2 GB! Bad, very bad.

I am running Mac OS X Tiger on my Mac. I have 2.5 GB and a meter that runs in my Menu Bar that tells me about RAM usage. I usually have nearly 2 GB free, except when I have Photoshop running (... it seems to eat RAM too!). Mac OS X is much more economical with RAM!

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Here's an update:

My beasty-PC (the family games machine) is currently "upgrading" to Vista, MS finally tell the truth as the current prompt on the screen says "Your upgrade may take several hours to complete". As it has been saying that for at least 3 hours and currently says "Completing upgrade (42%)" I actually believe them!

My intention is to give my friend the old XP installation from the beasty and keep Vista for myself but I'll see just how compatible Vista is after the "upgrade".

On the other machine, which now that is has XP on it is at least working, I am installing FireFox and will shortly be installing Open Office.

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Another update:

My main PC is totally screwed, when the Vista install got to 53% complete it rebooted the PC and now it refuses to even recognise the previous XP installation. So now it's installing from scratch (it says the old files will be put in windows.old, we'll see!).

Methinks I will end up sending this heap of **** back on Monday!

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Another update:

Vista is finally installed and working on my beasty PC ...

... it's absolutely rubbish!

It reckons that my graphics card doesn't do 3d, it's a ATI 1950 card! I has supposedly copied my old stuff to windoze.old yet only MS software shows up in the file window!

It will take me a few days to work out where the **** everything has gone but first impressions are not good!

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Ugh. I'm sorry you even bothered with it!


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Not to throw too many stones at Microsoft, but hey, why not one more? :-)

This is consistent with my experience with every Windows *upgrade* I have ever tried. Except in one case, I have always had to give up in exasperation and do a clean install. Microsoft can't seem to get their heads around upgrades vs. installs.

I'm sorry you have had such a bad time of it. I agree, throw that trash in the bin where it belongs! ...oh wait, get your money back first! :-)

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