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    People who are banned
    Lets be honest, piracy is all over the net and people talking about it.

    Why ban someone for asking a question about something they shouldn't? (MacNewbie in the other thread for instance)

    Surely deleting the thread and emailing or PMing the person telling them that if they ask about it again will result in a permanent banning?

    Just my two penneth anyway...

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    If you're stupid enough to post "where can I steal xxx software" threads you deserve banning for being an idiot as much as being a pirate IMO!!

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    What they choose to do is up to them, I just don't think a permanent banning is justified.

    A first and final warning would suffice IMO.

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    The rules say no talk of illegal activities when you sign up, so by breaking that you've nothing to complain about if you're booted off.

    Harsh, but fair.

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    I'd agree with Alexis here, that's just asking for it.

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    This is a fine line. On most forums, some talk of this sort of thing is allowed to one extent or another. This one doesn't allow any, so what? Their forum, their rules.


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    This happens on virtually every forum... someone gets banned for asking where they can download Logic Pro for free and either gets banned or someone who answers gets it.

    Then there is a huge moral outcry about freedom of speech, blah blah and how the mods are too heavy handed etc. What bothers me is that people think downloading software illegally is acceptable. In fact, people think it's 'cool'.

    I'm more than happy to take the negative rep on the chin for saying this, but people who steal software are scum. They try and dress it up in pseudo revolutionary or anti-establishment language like it's some big attack on the corps, but the the same people who download Office 2003 or cracked versions of Tiger, would probably feel very differently if it was them on the receiving end of theft.

    Also, there is no excuse these days. You hate microsoft? Don't want them getting your hard earned allowance? Well don't download Office from haX0rZ.com... use OpenOffice or NeoOffice or any number of shareware apps that can do almost everything the professional aps can do anyway.

    [/end rant]

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    "...cracked versions of Tiger"?????

    I can't say that I disagree, although I have done such things in the past I find myself more and more willing to pay for the software I use. This is particularly true of shareware or SW from small developers who depend on that money to keep making good Apps for the Mac.

    Now music, that's a different story....


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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    "...cracked versions of Tiger"?????

    I can't say that I disagree, although I have done such things in the past I find myself more and more willing to pay for the software I use. This is particularly true of shareware or SW from small developers who depend on that money to keep making good Apps for the Mac.
    Same here. I forked out for Fetch just recently (a really simple and easy to use FTP app) - $25 although I could keep using it for free if I put up with a 45 second delay every time I launched it.

    Now music, that's a different story....
    I'm curious to know your reasons. :black:
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    To be honest, I can't really explain it. I'm willing to pay for software and regularly buy DVDs (I don't download movies, to many formats to deal with), but Music just seems different, although I know that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and I don't feel remotely guilty about it. I buy a limited number of CDs, generally only my favorite artists, but that is about it. That being said, I don't use P2P or torrents either and I do buy music off of iTunes and e-Music as well.

    I think this line of discussion has gone about as far as it can on this forum. PM me if you want to talk about it more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    Lets be honest, piracy is all over the net and people talking about it.

    Why ban someone for asking a question about something they shouldn't? (MacNewbie in the other thread for instance)

    Surely deleting the thread and emailing or PMing the person telling them that if they ask about it again will result in a permanent banning?

    Just my two penneth anyway...
    its very simple.. if you choose to break the rules you need to deal with the aftermath of your choice.. if you do not want to follow the rules then don't agree to them. when you post a message you have aggred to the rules in my opinion.

    I was on the M-F honor roll for month : May 2007

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post
    Same here. I forked out for Fetch just recently (a really simple and easy to use FTP app) - $25 although I could keep using it for free if I put up with a 45 second delay every time I launched it.
    I did the same thing with Transmit FTP for OSX. Tried it for a while, loved it and paid for it. Never regretted it either. I am glad a lot of the small developers let you try it first before you pay as that way you can be sure it's what you need/want before buying.

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    I've never stolen a single piece of software. I even shelled out for WinXP SP2 when I could very easily have "borrowed" a free copy from a relative's business site license. It was very hard to hand over $100+ for another copy of an operating system when I have two or three permanently retired computers in my house with WinXP SP2 on them ...

    Having said that, I don't see why an instant permanent ban is appropriate for someone new to the forum. It's the Mod's sandbox and they can certainly make any rules they want, of course. But it seems to me that warning the guy (publicly and in PM) and locking the thread with a message that such behavior is unacceptable would have a greater long-term benefit than banning.

    It's all well and good to say "it's in the rules" but come on ... do you really think everyone who signs on reads all of those rules (or remembers them all)? And even if you think it's a forum member's responsibilty to remember every rule, is banning the best punishment for an infraction?

    Have you memorized your country, state/province, and city's criminal codes? And do you think capital punishment is the appropriate penalty for every violation?

    Just my $0.02. I think Mac-Forums is a fantastic, friendly, helpful community and I'm glad that I can participate and benefit from all the people here.

    Stay safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post
    I'm curious to know your reasons. :black:
    Now there is a double standard. Weak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddG View Post
    I've never stolen a single piece of software. I even shelled out for WinXP SP2 when I could very easily have "borrowed" a free copy from a relative's business site license. It was very hard to hand over $100+ for another copy of an operating system when I have two or three permanently retired computers in my house with WinXP SP2 on them ...
    I thought MS's licensing allowed you to re-use a license as long as the previous copy was removed from the old machine.


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