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The problem with Mac haters writing malware to target Macs as a way to make a demonstration of some sort is that they would have to actually buy a Mac, then learn how to code for it. Such a person would have to have serious anger issues to put out that much effort.
Some of the, I suspect, PSYCHO fanatics that I saw malicious comments from I'd bet would go to any lengths to be the first to proclaim 'I told you so', if it could be done.
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However, almost everyone I email uses a Windows system, and my Intego VirusBarrier has caught several Windows viruses that otherwise I might have inadvertently forwarded on to some hapless Windows user -- which would be embarrassing, and might even time consuming for me since I'm the tech support for family.
Im sorry, and people might think bad of me, which I really don't care, but if the Windows recipient isn't in the mindset of having their own AV running to grab such things, thats their problem.
Im not one for babying and looking out for Virus's for other people, if they don't have the audacity to do it themselves. If they receive one from me (even though I rarely pass on the cat jokes or other attachments unless it comes from me) and they don't have AV running on their Windows box, so be it. Bad luck chum. You should be looking after yourself, and shouldn't be of the mindset, that, that someone scanned it for me !!! Big enough to surf the www, your big enough to look after yourself when it comes to viri (for the latinist's)

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I'm a saint!
Hmmm…I think that I'm going to have to reacquaint myself with the definition of "saint"!

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"A saint is one who has been recognized for having an exceptional degree of holiness." I'm not sure you need to look further than I!

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"A saint is one who has been recognized for having an exceptional degree of holiness." I'm not sure you need to look further than I!
I'll have to compare/contrast the definition of "saint" that I'm familiar with…and the personality of the Vansmith that know!lol

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I'm a saint!
And I'm an angel. Who holds seminars on anger management. *cough cough*


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Now this is a situation I'm comfortable with!

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And I'm an angel. Who holds seminars on anger management. *cough cough*
So it's you who leads those!

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This has been an interesting read as I'm running Sophos because of Flashback and am now seriously thinking I've been wasting resources in doing so. Makes me wonder about Chrome because of MacInWinn's statement about sites reporting back to Google are you opening a door that wouldn't be if using Safari?

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Makes me wonder about Chrome because of MacInWinn's statement about sites reporting back to Google are you opening a door that wouldn't be if using Safari?
I think he's pointing to their web products and not Chrome itself, the former of which very likely do track not you specifically but your machine. All Chrome does is generate a random non-identifiable token to track installs. You'll see silly suggestions that it tracks what you browse but those suggestions are all rooted in tin-foil theories that fail to see that the "tracking" Google does with your search is only done through predictive searching which every browser does. In fact, the biggest story about this was one put out by Microsoft saying that IE didn't track like Chrome does because it didn't track your search results. What they failed to tell people was that they disabled predictive searching in IE and enabled it in Chrome.

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This has been an interesting read as I'm running Sophos because of Flashback and am now seriously thinking I've been wasting resources in doing so.
I believe that it's reasonable to keep AV software installed to run periodically as a "second opinion". Apple provides a good line of defense with the built-in XProtect, but it's not infallible. Actively scanning for threats is probably overkill... just run it once in a while to scan the drive.


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I believe that it's reasonable to keep AV software installed to run periodically as a "second opinion". Apple provides a good line of defense with the built-in XProtect, but it's not infallible. Actively scanning for threats is probably overkill... just run it once in a while to scan the drive.
I know that I've been pretty "anti-AV software" in this thread. But this is probably a situation/logic I personally would be comfortable with. Installing an AV app for periodic scanning (2nd opinion)…but not having it active 100% of the time.

If we REALLY had virus's to be concerned about…then a 100% of the time AV scanner would be more appropriate.

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I know that I've been pretty "anti-AV software" in this thread. But this is probably a situation/logic I personally would be comfortable with. Installing an AV app for periodic scanning (2nd opinion)…but not having it active 100% of the time.

If we REALLY had virus's to be concerned about…then a 100% of the time AV scanner would be more appropriate.
I actually just ran ClamXav (first time in a couple months) and it gave me 2 hits on Windows software that I run in Wineskin: WinRAR and Popcorn Audio Converter. I'm quite certain those are false positives since I got the installers direct from the developer websites. I even downloaded the most recent version of WinRAR and Clam still says the installer is a virus. This is really aggravating, even though false positives are nothing new, because you just don't KNOW when to trust the results of a scan.


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The problem with Mac haters writing malware to target Macs as a way to make a demonstration of some sort is that they would have to actually buy a Mac, then learn how to code for it. Such a person would have to have serious anger issues to put out that much effort.
Actually, you don't really "Code for a Mac" or any other OS. Major viruses come from major production groups, rather than some young kid with social problems, as in the past. The writer(s) is an expert in C, C++ or one of the other languages that can intersect with other code and is also a whiz at reading raw code and hex streams. It is no different than a group trying to write a device driver for an closed device, except for the criminal part.

And the actual testing, nowadays, would be done on a VM version of the target OS. Who would want to actually load windows over and over every time a test was run? Then, if the virus was feasible, it would be run "for real" on a real target.

The need for a particular machine with a particular OS is trivial. A malware group could order a dozen Macs if they needed. Or two hundred. That is obvious from the reports about the few malware groups that have been arrested, or just found out about.

If a hole had been discovered to allow a drive by virus on a Mac had been found, we would have that virus today. Therefore, no holes have been found. Note, that this does not say that a hole doesn't exist - just that, if it does, then it is unknown so far.

Unfortunately, the laws about turning malware loose on the Internet have punishment mandates about equivalent to "I'm going to tell your Mother on you."
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