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u should no that jobs got i think the actor that did jobs was on the 2000 macworld and did the start of the opening keynote
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Apple also stole the Xerox GUI almost to the letter. Xerox did take Apple to court for that and the case was eventually thrown out... much like Apple's subsequent and similar cases against Microsoft.
I would disagree that Apple "stole" the GUI from Xerox. A deal was struck, one that was unfavorable to Xerox but they still took it, and by the time they realized they had been shortchanged in the deal Apple had already brought products to the market. Xerox never knew what they really had until it was too late. Their system was originally never intended to leave the lab and would have died their if not for Steve and Bill (Gates also viewed thew Xerox GUI). The deal made with Xerox was for Apple stock and a stake in the company. Although it was a bad deal for Xerox, it did not appear so at the time and Xerox did make money off of Apple when the companies stock took off.

In the Apple/MS case, there was ample evidence that MS blatantly stole the "look and feel" without a prior agreement with Apple. Gates then tried to backpedal and claimed he got his ideas from the Xerox project (the breaking into my neighbors house analogy) and the judge, who had never used a computer, bought it.

Both Jobs and Gates have been described as cut-throat *******s, but Jobs IS a megalomaniac. Horror stories abound from former Apple employees about Jobs attitude and tirades within the company.

There are a good number of books on Apple that deal with this subject as well as the history of Apple and Jobs. PM me for a good comprehensive list as I can not post the link here.


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No, that was Chris Larson who raced Gates on the bulldozer. I think he was the guy earlier in the movie who was excited about making a Blackjack program on the Altair machine.

I wonder if Gates really crashed a bulldozer into Paul Allen's car? Those things aren't exactly fast and it should be easy to keep from hitting a car.

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Would love to know if S. Jobs and Bill actually met on a hill in some diggers.(atleast I think that's what happened in the movie). Anyone else remember some of the cool bits from the movie?
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I agree, Apple certainly didn't steal the Xerox OS. Apple didn't use any Xerox code, and the two OSes aren't very similar.

You could say that Apple stole the idea of a graphical OS, but aside from that Apple did all the work on their own. Apple built their own mouse, Apple made their own software, and Apple's computers were nothing like the ones at Xerox.

Microsoft on the other hand did steal, they took code right off the Macintosh prototypes. Microsoft is really a sleazy company if you know their history. Right from the very beginning Microsoft didn't do their own work. They took BASIC from others and reworked it to run on the Altair machine, Microsoft bought DOS from the Seattle Computer Company, Microsoft ripped off the Mac OS and called it Windows (by the way, I've used Windows 1.0 and all it is is an ugly, low resolution, colored, and poorly made copy of Mac OS). Even more recently Microsoft has been "borrowing" elements of other software and calling it their own. Many of the components in Windows 95 all the way through XP were taken from elsewhere.

Some of Microsoft's biggest products were bought from other companies, like Flight Simulator and VirtualPC. And Microsoft is quite devious with all of the vaporware they announce. They commonly announce products in order to try and scare people into buying Microsoft products, or sometime just to keep people from buying software from other people.

And just imagine what Microsoft will do to force people to buy Vista. No one seems too interesting in getting Vista, so Microsoft will twist people's arm in order to force them to buy it. I imagine they'll cut off support for XP very quickly, and I've heard that people won't be able to download Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP. I also expect new Microsoft games to be restricted to Vista, and any hope of getting the most out of XBOX 360 will require a Windows Vista PC. Some people have also suggested that Microsoft abandoned development of Service Pack 3, as well as most future updates to XP. Oh well, I'm pleantly happy in the Mac OS X world, and I'm really looking forward to Leopard!


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I would disagree that Apple "stole" the GUI from Xerox. A deal was struck, one that was unfavorable to Xerox but they still took it, and by the time they realized they had been shortchanged in the deal Apple had already brought products to the market.
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but Jobs IS a megalomaniac. Horror stories abound from former Apple employees about Jobs attitude and tirades within the company.
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Whatever he is Jobs is a fantastic CEO and without him there would no Apple.
Its takes a person like Jobs to get things done a lot of the time.
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yeah you can rent the movie at blockbuster. I know I rented it a few weeks ago since I enjoyed the movie when it was on tv.
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You have to figure, no company is clean. Atleast gates donates alot of his money to charity. His children are only getting about 1billion when he dies total.
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You have to figure, no company is clean. Atleast gates donates alot of his money to charity. His children are only getting about 1billion when he dies total.
Gates may give money to charity, however he lets everyone know when and how much he gives away which is a little sleazy. Also I think money given to charity in tax deducible (to a certain point).
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What is wrong with letting anyone know how much you donate? Everyone thinks hes evil, so he makes a shotty OS, him as a person is a good human being. I think no less of him or his father for donating alot of their fortune. The majority of Bill's fortune will be given at his death. So obviously he is not that horrible of a person. Who cares what people think of you when your dead?
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Gates may give money to charity, however he lets everyone know when and how much he gives away which is a little sleazy. Also I think money given to charity in tax deducible (to a certain point).
How many people give money anonymously? Just about every museum or performing arts center is named after the major contributor. So what? I give money to a family in Kenya every month-- am I sleezy for telling you and writing it off on my taxes?
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So what? I give money to a family in Kenya every month-- am I sleezy for telling you and writing it off on my taxes?
I don’t know do you tell everyone about it, and use it as an example as why you are a good person?

In others words do you do it to help the family or do you do it to make yourself feel better?
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What is wrong with letting anyone know how much you donate?
It just goes against my values. If I decide to donate money to charity I expect nothing in return, no tax break no publicity nothing. I just want to try to help out.
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Well when I give, I graciously accept 'thank you' gifts... am I a bad person for accepting them? This topic has changed drastically... ha.
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Gates does generously donate money, and I respect him for that. I don't, however respect Microsoft or the way it operates. They offer shoddy products, are sleazy in their business practices, and I don't think they deserve to be the biggest software company. I certainly hope that other companies can come up and seriously threaten Microsoft. If Microsoft falls out and loses a lot of its fortune they'll certainly be encouraged to offer better products.
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They are the biggest software company because they have proven themselves. Sure they make junk, but thats because its so cheap. You guys are comparing a Hugo to a Porsche. You spend more money to get more out of it, you spend cheap on software, your going to get cheap software. That appealed to the average person, and still does.

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