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Frankly, I think they just did it to discourage the average Joe. I have a very big problem with that.
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In many cases, I'd be satisfied if I could just easily open the case. Just recently, I replaced the front glass/digitizer on my iPad 3. It was a pain to get in there due to all the adhesive. That took nearly 75% of the time.

While I was in there, I thought a bit about the purpose of the adhesive - and really, there isn't one from a standpoint of technology or structural integrity. All they would have had to do is have two tabs at the top of the screen and two tabs at the bottom. If the bottom half had two screws through the case that met the tabs, it would be just as solid - but you could get in there with little hassle. It wouldn't add any weight, it wouldn't add any thickness.

Frankly, I think they just did it to discourage the average Joe. I have a very big problem with that.
Agree 100%. The iPad One was relativity easy to get into and used Tabs like you just mentioned. From the 2 or 3 on though it's a pain and I agree.

When you did your Retina iPad did you hurt the bezel at all? Most of the take apart videos I have seen show it being damaged and needing to be replaced. That turned me off.
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Agree 100%. The iPad One was relativity easy to get into and used Tabs like you just mentioned. From the 2 or 3 on though it's a pain and I agree.

When you did your Retina iPad did you hurt the bezel at all? Most of the take apart videos I have seen show it being damaged and needing to be replaced. That turned me off.
No, I didn't damage anything. I was very slow and deliberate. I think a lot of folks get excited when the glass starts to separate and then they get more aggressive.

The hardest part was to get a tool into the space between the bezel and the glass. Fortunately, the iPad I was working on is a Verizon model and it has a plastic portion at the top. The plastic has some give, so it's easy to start there.

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When I'm out running on the roads...and I see all sorts of things tossed from automobiles:
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- tampon applicators (yes I see lots of these)
Uh, what? But why?

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I'm not doubting the data on e-waste, but I would be surprised to learn that a lot of people throw computers and tablets and mobile phones in the garbage when they upgrade or they become obsolete.
A lot of people don't have people to pass things along to nor do they feel comfortable selling it somewhere like Craigslist. I think that number may be higher than you think.

To the topic at hand: let's take computers out of the equation for a moment and let's focus on mobile devices, those devices that aren't user upgradeable and have short lifespans. Not only are these selling like hotcakes but they lose their functionality at a much greater rate than computers. Add to that the notion that most of those won't be recycled and you start to have a whole new problem beyond the computer one.

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To the topic at hand: let's take computers out of the equation for a moment and let's focus on mobile devices, those devices that aren't user upgradeable and have short lifespans. Not only are these selling like hotcakes but they lose their functionality at a much greater rate than computers. Add to that the notion that most of those won't be recycled and you start to have a whole new problem beyond the computer one.
Absolutely. However, even the oldest smartphone makes a good phone - and anything else it can do is just icing on the cake for many in need. Thankfully a good many companies are offering recycling options for handsets. And there are many charities that will send you a mailer to send your phone to them for recycling. It's still a big problem, I'll admit it - but not as much as it is with computers, just by virtue of their sheer bulk.

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Maybe raising awareness of electronics recycling is a more realistic approach. Or at the very least, it might be a good place to start.

Increase in public awareness can drive up demand for such facilities or drop-boxes for used electronics and demand drives supply. Many of the Target brand stores in the city I live in have recycle boxes for used plastic bags, plastic bottles, and used electronics. And even some of the grocery stores have places to recycle your used plastic grocery bags. Recycling/re-using is a well-known concept, but as pointed out, it's probably not something most people think of when it comes to electronics.

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There are a ton of groups that give useable "obsolete" electronics to servicemen and women. That's were some of my stuff goes anyhow. An iPad 1st Gen works just fine on a base in Crapistan.

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There are a ton of groups that give useable "obsolete" electronics to servicemen and women. That's were some of my stuff goes anyhow. An iPad 1st Gen works just fine on a base in Crapistan.
Exactly - One man's trash...

We could all find ways to minimize what goes in the landfills.

BTW, I like your Atlas Shrugged (John Galt) reference and Johnny Cash quote. You sir, have good taste.

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Exactly - One man's trash...

We could all find ways to minimize what goes in the landfills.

BTW, I like your Atlas Shrugged (John Galt) reference and Johnny Cash quote. You sir, have good taste.
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Uh, what? But why?
I don't get it either…but honestly…I see these things much more than you would expect laying on the sides of roads. I told my wife about it…and she went "WHAT! Why are folks doing this in the car…and then tossing it out the window???"

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Admittedly Macs do seem to have a longer shelf life then your basic PC. When most PCs quit working, the owners then carry the dust infected fire hazard to a PC shop only to face the fact that the CPU is burned out and it will cost about 1/3rd to half of what the owner bough it for. So it either goes back with him and eventually the trash or tries to sell it to a PC shop for little or nothing and basically few parts are scavenged and rest goes to the trash. Most HP, eMachine, etc, etc cheap walmart computers tend to have a 1 to 2 years life cycle due to user incompetence.

Now Macs are designed to run cooler as if most people here should have noticed that most the CPUs Apple uses are mobil chips, hence the lower clock rates on most of their systems. That and the system is designed to collect less dust. Thus in conjunction with quality hardware thats fully tested with each model. Mac's just tend to have a much longer shelf life. And when something does go wrong, often buyers of Apple products will tend to carry them back to a Apple store for service or have the knowledge and skill to repair it themselves in most cases. So Mac computers from my experience tend to run to the point where its not a hardware giving out, but more that the system gets so out of date and can't run current software.

You know we can't be to hard on Apple for doing this.. Heck car manufactures have been doing it for decades. Plus ever other tech company has been doing it also..


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Beyond the software sacrifices (how often do we see people lament the loss of functionality in Apple software as of late? *cough* Pages *cough*), creating beautiful forms becomes more and more useless if the functionality isn't there.
And we saw a BIG update to Pages, Numbers and Keynote today, so Apple are listening. Bringing back Applescript Support in Numbers and iWorks 09 support added as well *cough* yougotanotherone *cough*

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Was there really an update today? I have been on my SL iMac!
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Was there really an update today? I have been on my SL iMac!
Yes mate, a big one, to the Mac Apps and iOS. iMovie as well and was a huge 1GB+ update.
Looks good with customisable Tool Bars and 09 support., shared Password Protected iCloud Documents. . . . Apple are listening after the furore from us customers.

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