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    I have a Honeywell programmable thermostat attached to my gas furnace and central air. It was less than $100, has a touchscreen and can be programmed for 4 different time ranges, 7 days per week. It does not have WiFi or a high-res color display on it - but it does the job. It's supposed to have "smart response" technology, where it learns how long it takes to recover a temp - but I find that to be less than effective and often find it "in recovery" after a programmed temp change.

    In the winter time, it definitely helps reduce my gas bill as the gas heat can warm the house several degrees in less than a half hour. In the summertime, it's not worth it - it takes way too long for the AC to cool down the house on a really hot day and I'm not convinced that allowing the temp to vary so widely really saves energy. I used to let it warm up to 80F and during the times I did, it wouldn't get back down to 73 or so until the sun went down and the outside temps dropped - usually hours later. And during that time, the A/C was running constantly. I just leave it 'on hold' at 73F and honestly, have not seen much variation on my electric bill.

    I looked at the Nest at one point and it really seems like overkill for a thermostat - and of course, it isn't cheap. At less than $100, a Honeywell thermostat offers of the functionality for the price. And now you needn't worry about Google glass spying on you
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    I think that this acquisition by Google is a trojan horse to your utility accounts via the smart meter.
    I agree. Google doesn't need to know when I wake up, when I go on vacation, when I go to bed and wake up, how many hours I'm at work each day, etc... Heck, they probably know all those things anyhow. They already have a photo of my house posted online. What will be scary is when they start buying insurance companies and banks. In 50 years Google and/or their successors will be indistinguishable from "God".
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    So is Google an alias for Skynet lol.

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    "The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th..."

    Google's domain name was registered in September 1997. Coincidence? I don't think so! LOL
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    NEST CEO says they won't change privacy policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYmacROX View Post
    NEST CEO says they won't change privacy policy.

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    And now that they've been acquired, the buck stops with him, right?
    Liquid and computers don't mix. It might seem simple, but we see an incredible amount of people post here about spills. Keep drinks and other liquids away from your expensive electronics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    And now that they've been acquired, the buck stops with him, right?
    Yeah, I know. It's just an FYI since some people seemed to be concerned (rightfully so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    And now that they've been acquired, the buck stops with him, right?
    Yeah, they won't change it... until they do. How much really remains of the policies YouTube and other formerly independent services had in place before Google bought them out? Google didn't buy Nest out of charity or some desire to get into the hardware business. They are doing it with some long-term plan to further refine how they track users. There is no other reasonable explanation that I can think of based on their business model and history.

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    Well, my comment was loaded with irony but Google are already very active in the energy market and your FERC already authorised them to buy and sell energy at market rates so they are a de facto player and heavily biased towards renewables and efficiencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendlewitch View Post
    Well, my comment was loaded with irony but Google are already very active in the energy market and your FERC already authorised them to buy and sell energy at market rates so they are a de facto player and heavily biased towards renewables and efficiencies.

    Google Energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Google wants to pay more for renewable energy, and power companies are listening | The Verge
    They are doing it, at least in part, to deflect criticism of the energy their data centers require. The Nest plays no part in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisabeach View Post
    They are doing it, at least in part, to deflect criticism of the energy their data centers require. The Nest plays no part in that.
    I'm sure it does long term. Google are an energy provider and Nest is a smart thermostat. Utility Co's install smart meters which are information and control devices that are able to limit supply, bill at time of use and remotely turn the supply off to your home at the touch of a button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pendlewitch View Post
    I'm sure it does long term. Google are an energy provider and Nest is a smart thermostat. Utility Co's install smart meters which are information and control devices that are able to limit supply, bill at time of use and remotely turn the supply off to your home at the touch of a button.
    They are reselling energy, not because they want to be an energy provider, but rather to resell "clean" energy to offset the "dirty" energy they are using. There is no other reason. They are even on the record as saying they have no intention of being a utility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisabeach View Post
    They are reselling energy, not because they want to be an energy provider, but rather to resell "clean" energy to offset the "dirty" energy they are using. There is no other reason. They are even on the record as saying they have no intention of being a utility.

    Google is on the way to quietly becoming an electric utility Quartz
    Thanks for the link. That article seems to bear the case out. What the spokeswoman says is that Google have ' no designs on becoming a quasi utility..that's an interesting word to use if what you really mean is that you want to be a 'proper' one. The way they are working it at the moment is that they are taking back credits against their carbon footprint penalties when they sell 'green' energy that they produce back to the grid. If I were Google I wouldn't want to be doing that for ever.

    Interesting to note here Google buys Nest in $3.2 bn, tech giant to gain - Economic Times that Google Ventures were one of the original backers of Nest and a high market value is in their interest.

    The $3.2bn does not appear to be just a donation at the confessional box.

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