Yes or No, UK Public?

robduckyworth · robduckyworth #1 (**permalink**)

05-02-2011, 01:57 PM

Are you going to vote Yes or No to the referendum?

Kevriano · Kevriano #2 (**permalink**)

05-02-2011, 02:29 PM

Not a clue mate, why do we want a voting system that the rest of the world has rejected. Leave it as it is I say.

robduckyworth · robduckyworth #3 (**permalink**)

05-02-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevriano

Not a clue mate, why do we want a voting system that the rest of the world has rejected. Leave it as it is I say.

spot on mate, exactly what i think. why change a system when you could just vote logically in the first place? AV just makes it far more confusing.

Aptmunich · Aptmunich #4 (**permalink**)

05-02-2011, 06:02 PM

I'm from the UK originally but live in germany where we have a proportional representation system.

I'd say go for it: people will be able to give some of their support to the parties they actually want to see win, instead of being forced just to keep other parties out. It should lead to a more democratic parliament and will hopefully force candidates to reach across party lines a bit more as well...

robduckyworth · robduckyworth #5 (**permalink**)

05-02-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aptmunich

I'd say go for it: people will be able to give some of their support to the parties they actually want to see win, instead of being forced just to keep other parties out.

But that sounds good until you realise alot of these other parties are not all they are cracked up to be (BNP, "crazy loony party, or whatever its called)

To me, I want to know that my vote makes a direct count towards who comes out on top. I dont want it "spread around" so to speak.

Aptmunich · Aptmunich #6 (**permalink**)

05-03-2011, 04:03 AM

AV means that the ridiculous fringe parties will be marginalised and the other serious parties will have a shot.

It's essentially still fptp, but it just slightly boosts the profile of some smaller parties AND marginalises the crazies.

robduckyworth · robduckyworth #7 (**permalink**)

05-03-2011, 04:08 AM

I do see your point, and it does sound rational, but not to the same extent as FPTP.

And there are alot of idiots in this country that seem to think the BNP will do good, or like to treat the system like a joke, and waste their vote. with AV, they could essentially add strength to two parties (by adding a 1 to a party, and a 2 to another.)

Kevriano · Kevriano #8 (**permalink**)

05-03-2011, 08:16 AM

Lets face it, there is not one person in any of the parties that has any quality about them that would make me give them a vote.
Rich public school boys all, and with all the charisma of a stale crisp.

baggss · baggss #9 (**permalink**)

05-03-2011, 04:10 PM

I find this thread entertaining. Carry on.

vansmith · vansmith #10 (**permalink**)

05-03-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by robduckyworth

But that sounds good until you realise alot of these other parties are not all they are cracked up to be (BNP, "crazy loony party, or whatever its called)

Personal belief no? Every party, regardless of their beliefs, is entitled to representation. FPTP, in a multi-party system (and by multi, I mean more than two), just doesn't work. Let me give you an example. In the 2008 general election here in Canada, one party got 1.3 million votes and that secured them 49 seats in the Commons. Another party got 900,000 and got zero seats. A third party got 2.5 million and secured only 37 seats. The math just doesn't work when you have three or more parties.

The reason that people reject alternate systems is because they are never explained properly and people are generally complacent about the systems in place.

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Member Since: Mar 09, 2004 Location: Munich Posts: 9,075 Mac Specs: Aluminium Macbook 2.4 Ghz 4GB RAM, SSD 24" Samsung Display, iPhone 4, iPad 2	05-03-2011, 04:03 AM AV means that the ridiculous fringe parties will be marginalised and the other serious parties will have a shot. It's essentially still fptp, but it just slightly boosts the profile of some smaller parties AND marginalises the crazies. Mac-Forums Twitter \| Mac-Forums Blog My Twitter \| Jetplane Journal
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Member Since: Jan 04, 2011 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 2,972 Mac Specs: 15" MBP, 2.5GHz i7, 750GB, 6770M 1GB, iPad 3, iPhone 4, custom PC	05-03-2011, 04:08 AM I do see your point, and it does sound rational, but not to the same extent as FPTP. And there are alot of idiots in this country that seem to think the BNP will do good, or like to treat the system like a joke, and waste their vote. with AV, they could essentially add strength to two parties (by adding a 1 to a party, and a 2 to another.) If you find a post helpful, don't forget to use the reputation system (top right of post.) Join us in the IRC! How? Add me on Steam, Origin or PSN (Vita): robduckyworth
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