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    The biggest mistake BP made was trusting American engineers and workers to do the job.

    As usual Americans and engineering are not good friends. This would NEVER have happened anywhere else in the World as the ROW come use the British directive when it comes to O&G saftey and working condition, the USA’a are still in the 70’s.

    The BOP is Camerons.........an american company
    Halliburton were the cement team.........american

    The Rig is Swiss

    The Personel, who are the real problem here are American working to american standards.

    All 100% true
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    You do know that the machine that you're using (and on a forum for) was engineered by an American company right? I don't think it's fair to generalize a nation's engineering body because of one incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    You do know that the machine that you're using (and on a forum for) was engineered by an American company right? I don't think it's fair to generalize a nation's engineering body because of one incident.
    american in general are poor engineers, look at their cars for example
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    Guess we won't mention it was corporate greed at BP that made the call to overlook using known defective equipment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by schweb View Post
    Guess we won't mention it was corporate greed at BP that made the call to overlook using known defective equipment...
    Because they coudld in AMERICA. No where else in the WORLD would they have been able to do that. BTW those decisions were made by BP AMERICA not the UK based part of the company.

    Remember we had the piper alpha disaster in the north sea when san American balls up killed all those people. From that day on the UK O&G safety has been tight as a ducks backside.

    I have sub contracted for BP a few times and hate working with them because they are so tight with everything, its PERMIT PERMIT PERMIT and people get put off the job all the time for breaking rules or trying to cut corners.

    Unfortunately the US does not come anywhere close to our standards which are used globally.

    I have worked in the USA for the record.

    Dont get me wrong the way that BP have handled the PR after it is awful but they have repeatedly said they will pay out everything that is required.

    When the decision was made to go deep everyone in O&G knew a disaster like this would happened and this is honestly just seen as teething problems by those of us in O&G. I know that is an awful thing to say especially if you live in the GOM.

    As i say, American safety standards allowed this to happen, not BPs
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    You do know that the machine that you're using (and on a forum for) was engineered by an American company right? I don't think it's fair to generalize a nation's engineering body because of one incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahja View Post
    american in general are poor engineers, look at their cars for example
    Do you have evidence for this claim? How can you explain this recall of 410,000 Hondas (April 2010) or this recall by Toyota (May 2010)? Let's not forget Toyota's major accelerator problem.

    I am by no means claiming that the US is leagues ahead of any nation in terms of engineering quality (I won't make that claim about any one country because I will not generalize a country's engineering abilities) but I will state that American engineers are by no means terrible compared to engineers of other industrialized nations. They wouldn't be home to most of the largest corporations that depend on engineering if they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahja View Post
    Because they coudld in AMERICA. No where else in the WORLD would they have been able to do that. BTW those decisions were made by BP AMERICA not the UK based part of the company.

    Remember we had the piper alpha disaster in the north sea when san American balls up killed all those people. From that day on the UK O&G safety has been tight as a ducks backside.

    I have sub contracted for BP a few times and hate working with them because they are so tight with everything, its PERMIT PERMIT PERMIT and people get put off the job all the time for breaking rules or trying to cut corners.

    Unfortunately the US does not come anywhere close to our standards which are used globally.

    I have worked in the USA for the record.

    Dont get me wrong the way that BP have handled the PR after it is awful but they have repeatedly said they will pay out everything that is required.

    When the decision was made to go deep everyone in O&G knew a disaster like this would happened and this is honestly just seen as teething problems by those of us in O&G. I know that is an awful thing to say especially if you live in the GOM.

    As i say, American safety standards allowed this to happen, not BPs

    I guess we pay a price for living in the greatest nation in the world. I'm really glad I don't live under the rule of a dictator that'll have his secret police rip out my tongue and cut off my balls for having an opinion that differs from his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    Do you have evidence for this claim? How can you explain this recall of 410,000 Hondas (April 2010) or this recall by Toyota (May 2010)? Let's not forget Toyota's major accelerator problem.

    I am by no means claiming that the US is leagues ahead of any nation in terms of engineering quality (I won't make that claim about any one country because I will not generalize a country's engineering abilities) but I will state that American engineers are by no means terrible compared to engineers of other industrialized nations. They wouldn't be home to most of the largest corporations that depend on engineering if they were.
    Chinese drywall engineers and manufactures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    Do you have evidence for this claim? How can you explain this recall of 410,000 Hondas (April 2010) or this recall by Toyota (May 2010)? Let's not forget Toyota's major accelerator problem.

    I am by no means claiming that the US is leagues ahead of any nation in terms of engineering quality (I won't make that claim about any one country because I will not generalize a country's engineering abilities) but I will state that American engineers are by no means terrible compared to engineers of other industrialized nations.
    Do you know what the actual problem was?

    Also the fact that Toyota knocked Ford off the top of the mantle to be the Worlds biggest car maker had a lot to do with it. The main problem was the accelerator catching on the carpet when you lifted your foot off the accelerator! Which can happen in any car.

    It was major paranoia by drivers, which i dont blame them for, and a big % of them will have been fraudulent in the hope that they got a new car or major refit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahja View Post
    As i say, American safety standards allowed this to happen, not BPs
    We'll know the answer to that when the investigation is done.

    If BP is criminally charged, then we know that they didn't adhere to safety standards and were negliget.

    If they're just civilly charged, then they were just negligent.

    If they're not charged at all, then your statement is true.
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    And what about the BBC? Most shows that come from the Britland, with the exception of Top Gear suck big fat Linux Distros. I mean, they butchered Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman. Even PBS could have done a better job with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schweb View Post
    We'll know the answer to that when the investigation is done.

    If BP is criminally charged, then we know that they didn't adhere to safety standards and were negliget.

    If they're just civilly charged, then they were just negligent.

    If they're not charged at all, then your statement is true.
    No one will go to jail unfortunately
    BP will not go bankrupt
    As i say, it was an American balls up
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