Windows 7 at my Computer Club Meeting last Night

VegasGeorge · VegasGeorge #1 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 11:44 AM

My computer club met last night. It's mostly PC folks, but we now have about 45 Mac users. Anyway, one of the more senior PC guys stood up and talked about all the trouble PC users are having upgrading to Windows 7. Apparently it can be a nightmare. Microsoft has established a troubleshooting webpage, and this fellow offered to personally help club member who were having trouble.

After his short presentation, I stood up and announced that Snow Leopard only cost $29, came on a disk, installed in about 10 minutes, and hasn't caused anyone I know any trouble at all.

DarkestRitual · DarkestRitual #2 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:14 PM

Generous install estimate for SL. More like 20-30.

pigoo3 · pigoo3 #3 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasGeorge

After his short presentation, I stood up and announced that Snow Leopard only cost $29, came on a disk, installed in about 10 minutes, and hasn't caused anyone I know any trouble at all.

Yes...but given that your computer club is mostly made up of Windows users...what sort of response did you get after your announcement?

Any rotten vegetables come your way, or pie's in the face?

- Nick

Sur3Mac · Sur3Mac #4 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:36 PM

I don't know what's more scary, the fact that there's so much trouble with the OS, or the fact that they actually built a site where you can cry about it...

D3v1L80Y · D3v1L80Y #5 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VegasGeorge

Snow Leopard .....hasn't caused anyone I know any trouble at all.

problems after Snow Leopard upgrade

Problem Installing Snow Leopard

Problems installing snow leopard

...but, you don't really know them personally

Sur3Mac · Sur3Mac #6 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:56 PM

come now D3v1L80Y, I think you're being modest, only 3?

deus_ex_machina · deus_ex_machina #7 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 12:57 PM

go to commercial!

we are a commercial...

go to another one!

iggibar · iggibar #8 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 01:17 PM

haha...this thread is funny..
Did you fall asleep while your SL was installing, and woke up with 10 minutes to go

Mine sure did take about 30-40 minutes... In the end though, I still am running on 10.5.8....SUITS ME JUST FINE

louishen · louishen #9 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 03:19 PM

I think the main problem with Windows 7 is that MS did not give users an easy update option from XP.

I don't know quite how they dropped that particular ball, an ability to upgrade and keep your files and applications is the sort of feature that is a basic idea. It is souring an otherwise greatly improved OS

DarkestRitual · DarkestRitual #10 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 03:59 PM

Oh, MS... crazy saps.

Sur3Mac · Sur3Mac #11 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by darkestritual

oh, ms... Crazy saps.

aye!!

cwa107 · cwa107 #12 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by louishen

I think the main problem with Windows 7 is that MS did not give users an easy update option from XP.

And I don't believe they should have. Anyone running a Windows XP install has probably been doing so for quite some time. And with the amount of cruft that builds up over time on an XP machine (or any Windows machine), if you try to do a straight upgrade, it's just going to be a complete cluster. It might cause a lot of heartache in forcing a person to do a clean install, but not nearly as much as trying to do a straight upgrade. Does anyone remember upgrading from '98 or Me to XP? It was a nightmare then too.

Once again, the registry ends up being the Achilles heel of Windows. You can't gracefully port over applications, user settings, etc without breaking portions of the registry. And since Microsoft has adopted an image-based install (rather than extracting and installing individual files), they've made it nearly impossible to do the style of upgrade that Apple can with OS X.

With that said, Snow Leopard is no picnic to upgrade to either. I consider myself fairly savvy with Macs, if not a professional (as I am with supporting Windows). I fought with my personal machine and Snow Leopard for well over a month before I finally found all the answers to stabilize this machine. For a time, I seriously considered selling my MacBook Pro and just going with Windows 7.

harryb2448 · harryb2448 #13 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 04:31 PM

An in depth study of advice on upgrading Windows XP, is generally do not bother as it is a pretty treacherous path. Much easier to upgrade from Vista, which is what is was designed for. Bet your comment about Snow Leopard soared like a lead balloon!

Drat cwa beat me by two minutes!

TattooedMac · TattooedMac #14 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sur3Mac

I don't know what's more scary, the fact that there's so much trouble with the OS, or the fact that they actually built a site where you can cry about it...

Was thinking exactly the same .... A dedicated website just for it WOW

Quote:

Originally Posted by louishen

I think the main problem with Windows 7 is that MS did not give users an easy update option from XP.

I don't know quite how they dropped that particular ball, an ability to upgrade and keep your files and applications is the sort of feature that is a basic idea. It is souring an otherwise greatly improved OS

Must confess it is why i decided to go to SL bc of the ease and the fact it kept my system the same as it was in the previous..... Apart from the obvious software upgrades to 64 bit ......

MYmacROX · MYmacROX #15 (**permalink**)

11-05-2009, 06:05 PM

The comments about the difficulties upgrading from XP makes me scrap my ideas of doing so on my Dell Desktop (and doesn't surprise me).
However, I definitely plan on (eventually) installing W7 on my MBP to use with bootcamp. It appears to run fairly smoothly... for a Windows OS.

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VegasGeorge #1 (permalink)
Member Since: Sep 23, 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV USA Posts: 891 Mac Specs: iMac, and Macbook Pro	11-05-2009, 11:44 AM My computer club met last night. It's mostly PC folks, but we now have about 45 Mac users. Anyway, one of the more senior PC guys stood up and talked about all the trouble PC users are having upgrading to Windows 7. Apparently it can be a nightmare. Microsoft has established a troubleshooting webpage, and this fellow offered to personally help club member who were having trouble. After his short presentation, I stood up and announced that Snow Leopard only cost $29, came on a disk, installed in about 10 minutes, and hasn't caused anyone I know any trouble at all.
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DarkestRitual #2 (permalink)
Member Since: Apr 09, 2009 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 2,073 Mac Specs: 13 inch alMacBook 2GHz C2D 4G DDR3, 1.25GHz G4 eMac	11-05-2009, 12:14 PM Generous install estimate for SL. More like 20-30.
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Sur3Mac #4 (permalink)
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DarkestRitual #10 (permalink)
Member Since: Apr 09, 2009 Location: Ithaca NY Posts: 2,073 Mac Specs: 13 inch alMacBook 2GHz C2D 4G DDR3, 1.25GHz G4 eMac	11-05-2009, 03:59 PM Oh, MS... crazy saps.
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harryb2448 #13 (permalink)
Member Since: Nov 28, 2007 Location: Nambucca Heads Australia Posts: 14,265 Mac Specs: iMac i5 2.7GHz OS X.8.3	11-05-2009, 04:31 PM An in depth study of advice on upgrading Windows XP, is generally do not bother as it is a pretty treacherous path. Much easier to upgrade from Vista, which is what is was designed for. Bet your comment about Snow Leopard soared like a lead balloon! Drat cwa beat me by two minutes!
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MYmacROX #15 (permalink)
Member Since: Mar 17, 2009 Posts: 3,361 Mac Specs: 2008 15" MBP ML, 2012 21.5" iMac ML	11-05-2009, 06:05 PM The comments about the difficulties upgrading from XP makes me scrap my ideas of doing so on my Dell Desktop (and doesn't surprise me). However, I definitely plan on (eventually) installing W7 on my MBP to use with bootcamp. It appears to run fairly smoothly... for a Windows OS.
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