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    Macs are not expensive
    Hey.

    About two months ago, I purchased a base-model macbook. And I have to say, it is a stunning machine. It feels large and roomy, whilst staying thin and light enough to carry around- far better than the odler e-macs I have used earlier. But, wherever I go people seem to comment on the cost of it. So, I decided to point out here, once and for all, why it isn't.

    From my point of view, the real beauty of the Macs are not the computer hardware themselves (though they're still good) but the software bundled with it. First, you got Leopard - beats Vista easily. More reliable, more functionality, and easier to use. But, alogn with that you get iLife and assorted software. So, here's a list of the software that comes with my Mac, the comparable windows application, and the cost of it. I also included programs I judge 'Neccesairy' in order to live.

    -Garageband / Sibellius ($329 - Educational Discount)
    -Time Machine / Acronis TruImage ($33 - Discount edition)
    -Iwork / Microsoft Office ($236 Saving)
    -Parental Control/ Kidswatch ($25)

    So, to those planning on doing this with a PC - good luck finding a laptop for under $600.

    Comments? Did I miss any ILife software?
    (Edit - I now iPhoto, iMovie, etc are missing - but I don't use them so it is non-applicable.)

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    I think you get more for your money with a PC in terms of memory, hard drive, speed...

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    I don't believe iWork is included, just a demo version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashrim View Post
    Hey.
    .... I also included programs I judge 'Neccesairy' in order to live...
    And the $ listed in actually a reference to how much money is saved by purchasing iWork over Office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole View Post
    I think you get more for your money with a PC in terms of memory, hard drive, speed...
    Couldn't agree more. OK, hard drive speed on a laptop is gonna be crap anyway as standard (5,400 compared to 7,200 upgrades). On the rest of the computer tho, Mac's seem 'out-of-date' compared to other PCs at the price point - even with upgrades.

    Still, I'd rather pay a bit extra and get a Mac because you know its worth it!

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    You can pick up a academic version of Office for $115. So the savings is much less. But hey that is not the point, it's a Mac and that is worth it.

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    @martyp: How so are mac's out of date?

    Looking at the macbook, the slowest processor one can get is a 2.1 Core 2 Duo - that is above the standard you find on most laptops out there and that is the slowest you can get on a macbook. I just visited the Dell website and the laptops advertised on the home page ship with 1.73 Celeron standard.

    Remember when comparing the iMac to others, the iMac is an All-In-One, and so must be compared with other AIOs - which typically have lower specs than non-AIOs.



    Not forgetting that Apple updates most products every 6 months or so to build in the latest technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentsb View Post
    I don't believe iWork is included, just a demo version.
    That's why there's NeoOffice and OpenOffice.org.

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    You didn't factor in virus, spyware and adware protection software

    MS office is still a must have for many at $115 that isn't bad compared to $79 for iwork, personally I would use iWork (I am a designer and think it looks better)

    One of the main reasons I would give about software on the mac is that:

    1. There is less of it
    2. What there is tends to be quality, and the open source and freeware / shareware software you can get is well put together, intuitive and well designed

    (eg, at work they will not support FTP on OS X, so rather than use the beautiful Transmit or Fetch we are forced to use Ipswitch FTP on XP - which looks like it has been thrown together from random bits of the windows SDK)

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    anti-Virus, every true PC user knows AVG Free is better than any paid antivirus program. Multiple Anti-spyware programs are free as well. The pain is not cost, but maintenance. and if you are a smart pc user, aka know what you're doing, you'll never get a virus. I've only gotten them when doing not-so-legal things...

    The difference in hardware cost is obvious. Dell had (on clearence after coupon) a XPS 1530, same EXACT specs as Macbook Pro 15" base model for $1200. that's $600 less than MBP (assumnig ed. discount). PCs are clearly cheaper, even for identical hardware. this is mostly due to coupons from Dell and HP though.
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    Yeah, everyone comments on the price of a Mac. For my $2200, I got a laptop, MS Office, a printer, an iPod touch, a laptop case, a USB cord, AppleCare. I don't know. It's still a lot of stuff, especially because I got $400 back and therefore really paid $1800.

    It'll be worth it if my baby holds up. Otherwise, I'll be angry that I didn't just go with a Dell for price. Presently, all is looking good.

    It's undeniable that PCs are cheaper really, but there's a competition market for them. Macs are sold only by Apple, use only Apple hardware/OS/software [out of the box, that is], and the price will reflect that. More switchers will allow the prices to fall over time, but they really are kind of a novelty. "You got a Mac? Cool/why/wow/oh, that's interesting."
    New switcher on a Macbook; trying her best to "think different".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W View Post
    @martyp: How so are mac's out of date?

    Looking at the macbook, the slowest processor one can get is a 2.1 Core 2 Duo - that is above the standard you find on most laptops out there and that is the slowest you can get on a macbook. I just visited the Dell website and the laptops advertised on the home page ship with 1.73 Celeron standard.

    Remember when comparing the iMac to others, the iMac is an All-In-One, and so must be compared with other AIOs - which typically have lower specs than non-AIOs.



    Not forgetting that Apple updates most products every 6 months or so to build in the latest technology.
    You've got a point with the iMac - not seen a computer that can match it in terms of style and quality.

    However, laptop wise. Take a MacBook on the Apple US site, 13" white version, 2.4GHz, 13.3" (CCFL?) screen, 2Gb, 160Gb HDD, intel GPU, Airport etc... $1,299

    or.

    Dell XPS M1330. 2.4GHz, 15.1" (1440x900) LED screen, 3Gb, 250Gb, nVidia 8400M GS, Wi-Fi etc. $1,399.

    If I didn't care for Mac's I know I'd buy the Dell. Better graphics, 1Gb more RAM (ok, really needed for Vista! ) and more importantly larger higher res screen so IMO well worth the extra $100 and maybe more?

    Don't think I'm bashing ANY Mac out there - I love Apple's products.

    Also I suppose I forgot to add resale/future proofing in the equation which is important to some. That Dell will be worth ~1/2 price in a year where the Mac Book won't depreciate as much and will be a useable computer for a lot longer. Therefore, yes ANY Apple is ALOT better value for money compared to a PC.

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    See, you want a bigger screen. I was disgusted with the huge, awkward wide-screen laptops. I love the size of my little MacBook. At first I felt like I was a little uncomfortable with it, but now it's no problem.

    Who doesn't want a computer that will be useable longer? I guess people who always want to be on top of the latest technology might not care if their computer lasts for years and years...
    New switcher on a Macbook; trying her best to "think different".
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    Apple's overpriced computers don't generally start out overpriced (except the Mac Mini, I suppose). The only reason Macs are usually so expensive compared to similarly equipped computers from other manufacturers is because Apple keeps each of their products at a constant price, even months after the unit has been released and the cost of the technology in it has gone down. By contrast, that MacBook Pro-quality notebook from Dell that was the same price back in February has now probably dropped in price by several hundred dollars. Making a software argument, especially the one in the OP... I'm not even going to get started on how wrong it is because I'll probably get neg-repped and told to "go back to Vista" by some anonymous Mac fanboy again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discerptor View Post
    I'm not even going to get started on how wrong it is because I'll probably get neg-repped and told to "go back to Vista" by some anonymous Mac fanboy again.
    Done.....!


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