What Does It Mean?

JohnTheMacGeek · JohnTheMacGeek #1 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 06:18 PM

During Sunday School this past weekend, I was poking fun at one of our classmates because he is having lots of trouble with his new Vista machine. Of course, as a very happy Mac owner and recent switcher, I had to recommend to my friend he ditch that bloated cow of an OS and buy a Mac! As soon as I finished my sales pitch (no, I get no revenue from Apple for promoting their products) another friend went into this triad about how Apple's logo represents the fruit of the garden Eve ate and how part of their development is named "Darwin" so that obviously means Apple stands against Christ. Now I don't want to get into a religious debate here; I just want the facts. As far as I'm concerned, Apple is a business and, therefore, profits are their primary, if not only, concern. But I have to ask: Is there any truth to my friend's claims?

sanity1082 · sanity1082 #2 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 06:36 PM

wow i dont know if there is any truth there but that is a pretty bold claim

louishen · louishen #3 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 06:37 PM

Look on wikipedia

Apple were called apple apparently, because Steve likes apples...

AS for darwin, it is probably from Charles Darwin, but is unlikely to be a decision from Apple's Board

The Darwin developers decided to adopt a mascot in 2000, and chose Hexley the platypus over other contenders, such as an Aqua Darwin fish, Clarus the Dogcow, and an orca. Apple does not sanction Hexley as a logo for Darwin.

(the platipus is a bit of an evolutionary oddity, a mammal that lays eggs)

Really, you could take any amount of accidental phases and link them in to passages within the bible to state your case.

JohnTheMacGeek · JohnTheMacGeek #4 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by louishen

Look on wikipedia

Apple were called apple apparently, because Steve likes apples...

AS for darwin, it is probably from Charles Darwin, but is unlikely to be a decision from Apple's Board

The Darwin developers decided to adopt a mascot in 2000, and chose Hexley the platypus over other contenders, such as an Aqua Darwin fish, Clarus the Dogcow, and an orca. Apple does not sanction Hexley as a logo for Darwin.

(the platipus is a bit of an evolutionary oddity, a mammal that lays eggs)

Really, you could take any amount of accidental phases and link them in to passages within the bible to state your case.

Now this makes much more sense than her babble. I'll be printing that wiki article for her to read. Thanks!

bobtomay · bobtomay #5 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 07:02 PM

According to this logic, anyone that eats apples would be one that stands against Christ.
Does this person eat apples?? And there is no where it is called an apple in the original language and is merely used with "artistic license" by some of the modern translations.

It is called the 'fruit' of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" and the 'fruit' of the "tree of life".
What, were they both apples? Was one a Granny Smith apple and the other a Red Delicious Apple? Or is one an apple and the other a pear? Maybe one was a banana and the other a kiwi fruit. See how ridiculous this whole thing is?

And as far as Darwin, what, has there only been one man or thing during the history of the earth that has gone by this name? So now, anyone born into the world and into a family named Darwin is automatically evil re-spawned? Gimme a break... What about all the ones that were named Darwin before this particular Darwin - they're OK - but everyone and everything named Darwin after this one, they're not? Or are all Darwins now lumped in together with this one guy? I'd like to know. Explain it to me...

Derek McNelly · Derek McNelly #6 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnTheMacGeek

another friend went into this triad about how Apple's logo represents the fruit of the garden Eve ate

Ohhh man. Well, you should ask this friend to go read the original latin/aramaic scripture and let you know if it was REALLY an apple, or if that info has been lost in translation.

That may be the most ludicrous statement I've ever heard.

JohnTheMacGeek · JohnTheMacGeek #7 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek McNelly

Ohhh man. Well, you should ask this friend to go read the original latin/aramaic scripture and let you know if it was REALLY an apple, or if that info has been lost in translation.

That may be the most ludicrous statement I've ever heard.

That was my initial reaction and she digressed at that point. She could not, of course, prove it was a apple. However, I know this woman and this conversation is far from over. I just want to have some information about the logo, if possible. I can certainly stand my ground biblically with her; That isn't an issue. What was funny is on the way home after church my wife said she could see in my eyes, as well as everyone else, I thought our friend was completely insane.

Tyler Durden · Tyler Durden #8 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 08:24 PM

Some religious people can find a way to make anything about religion. It's a business...don't read too much into it.

fleurya · fleurya #9 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 10:58 PM

If you look hard enough, you can see anything you want. Just string together some vague ideas to create whatever you like.

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Originally Posted by JohnTheMacGeek

As far as I'm concerned, Apple is a business and, therefore, profits are their primary, if not only, concern.

That's also true for many "places of worship". I think L. Ron Hubbard once said the best way to get rich is to start a religion.

ogacon · ogacon #10 (**permalink**)

03-26-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fleurya

That's also true for many "places of worship". I think L. Ron Hubbard once said the best way to get rich is to start a religion.

Haha... Thats funny. Everytime someone brings that/him up, I just think of Trapped in the Closet episode of South Park.

Brown Study · Brown Study #11 (**permalink**)

03-27-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnTheMacGeek

However, I know this woman and this conversation is far from over.

Let's hope she drives a Chrysler product. You could have hours of fun.

Chrysler had a long bout against that superstitious nonsense because of its pentagram logo. Oooo. Scary stuff.

Probably the most famous case regarding this claptrap is that of Procter and Gamble. Snopes, the veteran and highly respected urban-legends site, has the goods on it here. It's constantly recycled in some fashion about countless companies, probably by the competition.

Obviously, if she thinks Apple is of Satan, she doesn't run Vista.

fleurya · fleurya #12 (**permalink**)

03-27-2008, 12:54 PM

This looks like the kind of crowd she would hang with:

Unlike people who actually enjoy Star Wars, I get the feeling these guys actually think "the force" is real!!

eric · eric #13 (**permalink**)

03-27-2008, 01:25 PM

does she celebrate the pagan holidays of christmas or easter too?

Brown Study · Brown Study #14 (**permalink**)

03-27-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fleurya

Unlike people who actually enjoy Star Wars, I get the feeling these guys actually think "the force" is real!!

Elvis was evil. So was Ed Sullivan.

louishen · louishen #15 (**permalink**)

03-27-2008, 04:34 PM

There is a wikipedia article on the apple logo, the original was a picture of Sir Issac Newton under a tree

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JohnTheMacGeek #1 (permalink)
Member Since: Feb 05, 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 874 Mac Specs: Mid 2009 MacBook Pro  Mid 2007 iMac  4G iPod Touch  iPhone 4S  iPad	03-26-2008, 06:18 PM During Sunday School this past weekend, I was poking fun at one of our classmates because he is having lots of trouble with his new Vista machine. Of course, as a very happy Mac owner and recent switcher, I had to recommend to my friend he ditch that bloated cow of an OS and buy a Mac! As soon as I finished my sales pitch (no, I get no revenue from Apple for promoting their products) another friend went into this triad about how Apple's logo represents the fruit of the garden Eve ate and how part of their development is named "Darwin" so that obviously means Apple stands against Christ. Now I don't want to get into a religious debate here; I just want the facts. As far as I'm concerned, Apple is a business and, therefore, profits are their primary, if not only, concern. But I have to ask: Is there any truth to my friend's claims?
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sanity1082 #2 (permalink)
Member Since: Jun 17, 2007 Posts: 882 Mac Specs: macbook/iphone/ipod nano/ipod shuffle	03-26-2008, 06:36 PM wow i dont know if there is any truth there but that is a pretty bold claim
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Tyler Durden #8 (permalink)
Member Since: Mar 22, 2008 Posts: 95 Mac Specs: Macbook / 2Ghz/ 2Gb RAM / 80G HD / superdrive	03-26-2008, 08:24 PM Some religious people can find a way to make anything about religion. It's a business...don't read too much into it.
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louishen #15 (permalink)
Member Since: Oct 22, 2007 Location: London Posts: 8,657 Mac Specs: Mac Mini Core i7 2012 \| White 2009 MacBook 2 Ghz \| 733 Mhz G4 Quicksilver	03-27-2008, 04:34 PM There is a wikipedia article on the apple logo, the original was a picture of Sir Issac Newton under a tree
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