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  1. #271


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    A number of Mac users here are happy using Parallels and XP and it was mentioned that they used XP with at least SP2.

    My question is can a XP installation disk (without any SP) be used instead and after installation, let Windows downloads the SPs and whatever patches it needs? I am trying to avoid getting another copy of XP, but with SP2 or 3, just for this purpose of running Windows on my iMac.

    I need to work on this soon as my PC is getting very unstable and I may have to rely on just the iMac.

    Thank you.

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    I'd recommend creating your own XP with SP3 disc via slipstreaming.

    Slipstream Service Pack 3 into Your Windows XP Installation CD
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobtomay View Post
    I'd recommend creating your own XP with SP3 disc via slipstreaming.

    Slipstream Service Pack 3 into Your Windows XP Installation CD
    I'll second that. The recommendation of using a Windows XP disc with SP2 or later is more related to Boot Camp (which required SP2 in order for the keyboard to work in early stages of the install). Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc. should install fine with an earlier disc, however, slipstreaming SP3 is simple and avoids a lot of unnecessary patching, tweaking and time spent once you finish your install.
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    Thank you, Bobtomay and Cwa107, for the clarification. The issue is now crystal clear in my mind. I will work on the slipstreaming first.

    Thanks again.

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    Autostreamer is free and easy to use. I've used it numerous times to slipstream Windows service packs. Download from here.

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    From its explanatory note, Autostreamer sounds easier to use than the slipstreaming way, I will give it a try as well.

    Thanks Chscag for the info and guidance. Cheers.

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    Let me share what I have done trying to run XP on my iMac using Parallels. Firstly, I need to have an XP installation disk with SP3, as recommended. Tried Autostreamer but the program simply refused to run. Then an XP Slipstreamed disk was created with SP3 imbedded.

    Parallels 8 trial version was installed and after keying in the Windows serial number, the program was looking for a bootable XP installation disk all over the place and it failed. Have to abort the installation as the slipstreamed disk was somehow not bootable.

    I read that XP with SP3 is critical for Windows installation using boot camp and if using Parallels, SP3 and other updates can be done after the basic XP is installed albeit more time consuming. So I use my ancient XP disk and installation was successful.

    Then come the various SP and patches updates and I realised SP3 will only run with at least SP1 installed. So went googled for XP SP1 and the link at Microsoft wont work and fortunately, got a copy from another independent system site and finally SP3 and hundreds of other Windows patches were installed. Btw, the ancient IE can only be updated to IE8 with the installation of SP3.

    Windows on iMac seems to work pretty smoothly but not sure what I have done as there is now a message that says "unable to load coherence". With this, Windows still work except a Parallels icon that works like the Windows start button on the top menu bar is now missing.

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    Updates on the "coherence" issue: The matter has been resolved. It is due to settings of the Display Adapters. The driver is now set to Parallels Video Adapter and Parallels/XP is now working like a charm.
    Last edited by alwaysMac; 04-21-2013 at 09:37 AM. Reason: Added an update on the "Coherence" issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iMAC View Post
    how do i switch between mac and windows.
    5 years later and the answer is: Hold down the option key while rebooting.
    Last edited by cupboy; 06-27-2013 at 09:13 PM.

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    OK, here goes.I am using a Mac Mini from mid 2010. It runs like a dream and rarely gives any trouble. It's only when I try to complicate things by adding bits to it that I need help.
    For example, when talking about installing Windows on to the Mac's hard disc drive in order to use Windows Apps, I keep seeing mention of OS X Tiger or OS X Snow Leopard. It's as if the reviewers are saying, without actually saying, "This stuff won't work on anything newer than Snow Leopard. The bad news there is that I run Mountain Lion with all of the latest updates.
    I have discs for Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows Vista 64 bit and Windows 7 64 bit.
    So which software should I install in order to run any of these discs, preferably Windows 7?
    Any help gratefully received.
    Steve.

    ps ... Am I also right in saying that with a version of Windows running within the Mac, I will be able to run a CD disc that is made specificallt for Windows?
    Ta very much
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    The trouble with letting people like me loose on the interweb with a debit card is that I now have the latest Mac Mini Aluminium running at 2.4 GHz with 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, 320 HDD and OS X 10.6.5 all wired up to a 70" LED screen ...... And not the faintest idea of how to use it.

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    For example, when talking about installing Windows on to the Mac's hard disc drive in order to use Windows Apps, I keep seeing mention of OS X Tiger or OS X Snow Leopard. It's as if the reviewers are saying, without actually saying, "This stuff won't work on anything newer than Snow Leopard. The bad news there is that I run Mountain Lion with all of the latest updates.
    I don't what Tiger or Snow Leopard have to do with installing Windows? Boot Camp was first made available in the Intel version of Leopard. Snow Leopard also includes Boot Camp just as every version of OS X since Leopard.

    The stuff that won't work on anything newer than Snow Leopard are Mac apps that are PPC coded. But that again has nothing to do with Windows.

    I have discs for Windows XP Pro SP3, Windows Vista 64 bit and Windows 7 64 bit. So which software should I install in order to run any of these discs, preferably Windows 7?
    In order to run Windows 7 or 8, you need to stick with Mountain Lion which is what you're currently running.

    Am I also right in saying that with a version of Windows running within the Mac, I will be able to run a CD disc that is made specifically for Windows?
    Yes.

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    chscag .... Thanks very much for clearing all those points up. As for what Tiger or Snow Leopard have to do with installing Windows, it's just me being ultra paranoid. If I try to do something and follow all the rules to do it but it still doesn't work, it's never just a small technical hitch, no, it's a calamity that can never be resolved, lol.
    The trouble with letting people like me loose on the interweb with a debit card is that I now have the latest Mac Mini Aluminium running at 2.4 GHz with 8 GB of DDR3 RAM, 320 HDD and OS X 10.6.5 all wired up to a 70" LED screen ...... And not the faintest idea of how to use it.

  12. #282


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    After an update coming from Parallels, I notice Windows is now dead slow and Windows is practically not useable. Anyone any clue what is the problem? I am using Parallels 8.

    Thanking in advance.

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    I just want to run some pc software can it be done without having to install windows,if so how do I go about it the software i want to install and run is serif.

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    There are several ways to install Serif Page Plus on your Mac without installing Windows:

    1. Buy CrossOver from Codeweavers. LINK

    2. Download and install the free WineBottler application from here.

    Some info about both... CrossOver is best to use since it automates the process of installing Windows programs especially those that are more complex. It's been a long time since I've used Page Plus from Serif but I do remember that it's a rather large desktop publishing program.

    WineBottler is free but the installation process is more complicated and definitely not automated. But it works well. I use both CrossOver and WineBottler.

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    Taking advantage of the above, excellent presentation, I would observe that I operate in Mavericks and iMAC intel pretty seamlessly with a VM (Parallels) - the Win partition even likes my Apple Trackpad, which was not true in the pre-Parallels era. I'm thinking, however, of getting a new iMac and wonder if MAC's systems available for easy transfer of data from old to new computers can even transfer the Windows material as well as the MAC programs. especially Win 7 Professional, Omnipage (not even available for MAC) and a Win-based Translation Program called Déjà Vu. Someone in a shop said "yes" but I remain a bit skeptical. Any ideas? I'm a bit paranoid about the laborious process of deactivating programs then having to reactivate them when installation is complete, so a guided transfer would be welcome.

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