New To Mac-Forums?

Welcome to our community! Join the discussion today by registering your FREE account. If you have any problems with the registration process, please contact us!

Get your questions answered by community gurus Advice and insight from world-class Apple enthusiasts Exclusive access to members-only contests, giveaways and deals

Join today!

 
Start a Discussion
 

Mac-Forums Brief

Subscribe to Mac-Forums Brief to receive special offers from Mac-Forums partners and sponsors

Join the conversation RSS
Other Hardware and Peripherals Other Apple systems and peripherals discussion.

Some way of connecting USB 3.0 hard drive to Firewire/thunderbolt?


Post Reply New Thread Subscribe

 
Thread Tools
pibolar

 
Member Since: Mar 09, 2012
Posts: 98
pibolar is on a distinguished road
Mac Specs: Late 2013 iMac, 3.5GHz Quad i7, 24GB RAM, GTX 780m, 10.8.5, iPhone6

pibolar is offline
i recently purchased a new portable Hard drive that offers usb 3.0 speeds however my iMac (2011) doesnt support this, it connects fine but of course only offers me usb 2.0 speeds. i was wondering if there would e a cable/adapter that i could plug the usb 3.0 cable into and plug in to a firewire/thunderbolt slot to give me faster transfer? Hard drive is a WD 'My Passport'
QUOTE Thanks
cwa107

 
cwa107's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 20, 2006
Location: Middletown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 26,632
cwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 15" MBP, Core i7/2GHz, 8GB RAM, 480GB Crucial M500 SSD

cwa107 is offline
Well, there is, but it's cost prohibitive (i.e. you could buy a straight-up Thunderbolt drive for less money). At this point, the only USB 3.0 capable Thunderbolt peripherals are "docking stations" that are really meant for notebook users:

Thunderbolt Express Dock | Belkin USA Site
Thunderbolt Docking Station for MacBook Pro and MacBook Air

Why someone doesn't just make a simple USB 3.0 hub for Thunderbolt yet, I don't quite understand. It should be technically feasible - even trivial, given that PCIe USB 3.0 adapters are a dime a dozen, and all that would be needed is a Thunderbolt interface grafted on and re-engineered to fit into an external case - but so far, no one has built one to my knowledge.

Liquid and computers don't mix. It might seem simple, but we see an incredible amount of people post here about spills. Keep drinks and other liquids away from your expensive electronics!
QUOTE Thanks
pibolar

 
Member Since: Mar 09, 2012
Posts: 98
pibolar is on a distinguished road
Mac Specs: Late 2013 iMac, 3.5GHz Quad i7, 24GB RAM, GTX 780m, 10.8.5, iPhone6

pibolar is offline
thank you for your fast reply! it does seem strange that people haven't made such items. ive been looking for a Firewire Hard drive as thunderbolt drive (ones that deliver full speed) are expensive, i asked in a PC store about Firewire Hard drives and the guy pretty much laughed at me lol.
QUOTE Thanks
cwa107

 
cwa107's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 20, 2006
Location: Middletown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 26,632
cwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond reputecwa107 has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 15" MBP, Core i7/2GHz, 8GB RAM, 480GB Crucial M500 SSD

cwa107 is offline
Firewire drives are fairly inexpensive and most HDDs aren't fast enough to saturate the bus. You could pop the drive mech out of your WD case and mount it in a FW800 case relatively inexpensively:

FireWire Enclosure Kits

Liquid and computers don't mix. It might seem simple, but we see an incredible amount of people post here about spills. Keep drinks and other liquids away from your expensive electronics!
QUOTE Thanks
Lightcraftsman

 
Lightcraftsman's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 23, 2012
Location: Colorado
Posts: 264
Lightcraftsman is a jewel in the roughLightcraftsman is a jewel in the rough
Mac Specs: 15-inch 2014 Retina MacBook Pro, 2012 Mac Mini, 160GB iPod Classic, iPhone 5

Lightcraftsman is offline
I originally posted Black Magic speed test results from a 3.5-inch 7200 RPM drive connected via FW 800 and eSATA through a LaCie Thunderbolt hub.

I should have had some coffee and done a bit of research on the OP's drive before posting. I used to have a WD Passport drive, and it was a 3.5-inch mechanism. The new My Passport drives are 2.5-inch. cwa107 is right, most of these will not saturate a FW 800 bus, especially the 5400 RPM drives. I have a 320GB 7200 RPM 2.5-inch drive sitting around somewhere. I'll need to dig it out and run some tests to see how fast it will communicate over eSATA.

Edit: The 2.5-inch 320GB drive tested at 86.1 MB/s write and 88 MB/s read over the eSATA connection through the LaCie Thunderbolt hub. This is only marginally faster than FW 800 speeds and certainly not worth a $200 premium over cwa107's suggestion.

"It's got to come from the heart, if you want it to work."
Guy Clark

Light Craftsman website
QUOTE Thanks
IvanLasston

 
IvanLasston's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 26, 2010
Location: Rocky Mountain High, Colorado
Posts: 2,116
IvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to behold
Mac Specs: 1.8 GHz i7 MBA 11" OSX 10.8.2

IvanLasston is offline
I've been looking for the same thing. I was hoping hat the Thunderbolt Display would finally get the USB 3.0 upgrade once the new iMacs came out. Still no upgrade.

I think part of he problem is thunderbolt is still early - and even if the hub was cheap you are still looking at a $50 cable.

$400 for a tb hub seems steep to me just to get USB 3.0.

Unfortunately the new MBA doesn't have a FW interface.

Now also - I did some benchmarks on usb 3.0 drives - and some of them do no better than USB 2.0.
QUOTE Thanks
chscag

 
chscag's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 23, 2008
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 41,394
chscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond reputechscag has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: 27" iMac i5, 3.2 GHz, iPad 3, iPhone 5c, 3 iPods, Yosemite

chscag is offline
Quote:
Now also - I did some benchmarks on usb 3.0 drives - and some of them do no better than USB 2.0.
That surprises me Ivan. Assuming you were connecting to a USB 3.0 port or hub, the 3.0 drives should easily outperform the 2.0 drives. Did your tests vary by drive manufacturer, or did that apply to all the drives you tested?
QUOTE Thanks
harryb2448

 
harryb2448's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 28, 2007
Location: Nambucca Heads Australia
Posts: 18,315
harryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond reputeharryb2448 has a reputation beyond repute
Mac Specs: iMac i5 2.7GHz, 16GB memory, OS 10.10.1

harryb2448 is online now
pibolar have a look at a FW800 external drive such as OWC's Mercury Elite Pro mini if you are using for operating system backup. SuperDuper updates in less that four minutes on a weekly update.

Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!
QUOTE Thanks
IvanLasston

 
IvanLasston's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 26, 2010
Location: Rocky Mountain High, Colorado
Posts: 2,116
IvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to beholdIvanLasston is a splendid one to behold
Mac Specs: 1.8 GHz i7 MBA 11" OSX 10.8.2

IvanLasston is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by chscag View Post
That surprises me Ivan. Assuming you were connecting to a USB 3.0 port or hub, the 3.0 drives should easily outperform the 2.0 drives. Did your tests vary by drive manufacturer, or did that apply to all the drives you tested?
I was visiting a Co-worker's house. He had a Mac Pro. He bought a USB 3.0 pcie card from OWC and was having trouble with one of his drives. I was trying to debug that issue - not really trying to do benchmarks.

I wish I had written down numbers but I really didn't. Everything below should be MB/s. The most dissapointing drive was a Lexar 64GB flash drive that I bought from Amazon.
Amazon.com: Lexar JumpDrive S73 64GB USB 3.0 Flash Drive LJDS73-64GASBNA (Green): Computers & Accessories
It claimed 45MB read 20 Write. Well I got 20/20 - which is the same as I got on USB 2.0 - except I paid more for the drive. (I have the 20/20 number because I just tried blackmagic with the drive on USB 2.0 - and I remember trying it on both 3.0 and 2.0 while there) Maybe it is a bum drive?

I just tried my freeagent go on usb 2.0 - and got 20/20 as well. Just tried it with Thunderbolt and got 50/50. I don't remember what the USB 3.0 got me but it wasn't triple digits. I think it matched thunderbolt numbers from what I remember of the test - which was disappointing for me because of the drive performance. That is - I could have skipped on buying a thunderbolt adapter ($99) and a thunderbolt cable ($60) if I had USB 3.0 on my MBA. So I was disappointed with Thunderbolt in this case not USB 3.0

The Seagate Freeagent go desktop on the other hand hits 100/100 on thunderbolt - didn't have that one with me to test on USB 3.0.

So I guess my story is depending on drive (not just manufacturer) - you will see different performance - but most disappointing was a flash drive which I paid extra for and got no better than USB 2.0.

Here is the drive test I was using
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blac...25264550?mt=12
QUOTE Thanks

Post Reply New Thread Subscribe


« New ext hdd to partition question | Lacie SSD Thunderbolt as boot-drive »
Thread Tools

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Another MacBook Hard Drive Replacement Experience caribiner23 Apple Notebooks 29 11-24-2011 01:16 AM
Automatic back up from external hard drive to external hard drive annahardy Other Hardware and Peripherals 7 06-06-2011 06:43 PM
Streaming DV via Wifi at home JWN Movies and Video 10 11-26-2009 09:14 PM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
X

Welcome to Mac-Forums.com

Create your username to jump into the discussion!

New members like you have made this community the ultimate source for your Mac since 2003!


(4 digit year)

Already a member?