How often does OS X Panther crash?

ApplejustWorks · ApplejustWorks #1 (**permalink**)

08-07-2004, 07:46 PM

How often does OS X Panther crash( like a finder lockup)? I was talking to a friend a bit ago, and he said that he wasn't doing anything, and he declines to have hardware problems, and his Finder just locked-up, and he couldn't relaunch it, he HAD to log out, and then back in... How often does this happen? He seems to believe that OS X commonly has finder lockups and crashes, but I disagree. I believe that when the user has done nothing, and there are no hardware problems, the likelyhood of a finder-lockup is EXTREMELY RARE..

Comments?

witeshark · witeshark #2 (**permalink**)

08-07-2004, 09:43 PM

I believe it's incredibly rare and likely happens with a computer less than ideally maintained. Since Christmas, I have had no problems at all!

trpnmonkey41 · trpnmonkey41 #3 (**permalink**)

08-07-2004, 09:59 PM

13 months with no finder lockups or kernal panics

hype.it · hype.it #4 (**permalink**)

08-07-2004, 10:41 PM

Depends what your doing and running i think... I've had it locking up for running some poorly coded shareware applications, occasionally when I'm opening huge documents. Since installing Panther, haven't experience a Kernel Panic, yet! But i do lose my Finder regularly, i just re-login and every-thing's fine.

FYI: 500Mb isn't what i regard as a large document, I'm thinking more along the lines of 1.2Gb or bigger!

Ragle · Ragle #5 (**permalink**)

08-08-2004, 11:25 AM

I have experienced frequent lock-ups and crashes. I had thought it was because I don't have enough RAM (384 MB) to run all the programs I do at once (usually, Safari, MSN Messenger, iChat, iTunes, sometimes Dreamweaver or an Office app).

Now I think I am using an incomplete or corrupted version of Panther.

According to my System Info, the following is what I show as being the versions I have installed:

System Software Overview:

System Version: Mac OS X 10.3.4 (7H63)
Kernel Version: Darwin 7.4.0

Considering I have 4 discs and not one of them has the Classic installer, I am beginning to think I have either a Beta build or some other fishiness.

Any thoughts?

Graeme43 · Graeme43 #6 (**permalink**)

08-08-2004, 11:45 AM

thats the same build as i have

its not a beta

trpnmonkey41 · trpnmonkey41 #7 (**permalink**)

08-08-2004, 12:37 PM

When you buy panther separately it doesn't come with Classic.

MAC-simus · MAC-simus #8 (**permalink**)

08-08-2004, 02:54 PM

in my experience finder lock ups happen when:
1. user clicks (one click, to highlight) on video files (.avi; .mov) in column view. the finder is trying to generate the preview and you get a spining wheel. the duration of lock up depends on hardware speed and video compression.
2. user tries to brows folders on connected server when connection speed is low. same thing here: finder generates the preview and the connection speed determines the lock up duretion.

if you just let it go finder will get back to normal as soon as it completes the task. (may take a while).
this is not a crush!
you cannot log out or do anything if it crushes. you cant even forse quit/relounch.

Absolute Zero · Absolute Zero #9 (**permalink**)

08-08-2004, 06:33 PM

Mac OS X has crashed 7 times a few days ago, and again like 3 days ago.

Avalon · Avalon #10 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absolute Zero

Mac OS X has crashed 7 times a few days ago, and again like 3 days ago.

Really? Geez, Abs, there must be something really wrong with your Mac...I had maybe 10 crashes in the last 6 months, 8 of them provoked by myself (fiddling with "unaccessible" system files) and only 1 Kernel panic.
I think you really got a bad egg... :confused:

schweb · schweb #11 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 07:57 AM

Mine has only crashed once and that was because of some very poorly written alpha software so that was really my fault

Murlyn · Murlyn #12 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 10:52 AM

Yeah mine has never crashed, the Finder has crashed with beta software, but the whole system has never crashed.

Strider · Strider #13 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 11:24 AM

My system has crashed a few times, and during those instances, I cant force quit or anything, the mouse doesnt move and I have to shut off the whole system by keeping the power button depressed and then starting it back on. My mac is well maintained and I dont use huge programs/files. Just normal stuff.

zakatov · zakatov #14 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 06:09 PM

I suspect that bad RAM is to blame for most of the system instability, because in many cases it is the ONLY 3rd party hardware installed. I have good (Apple/Crucial) RAM in all my systems, and never had any panics or lockups.

just my 2 cents

Absolute Zero · Absolute Zero #15 (**permalink**)

08-09-2004, 06:20 PM

Nothing wrong with my PowerBook...

ApplejustWorks #1 (permalink)
Member Since: Dec 28, 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 911 Mac Specs: 15" MacBook Pro & 23" ACD	08-07-2004, 07:46 PM How often does OS X Panther crash( like a finder lockup)? I was talking to a friend a bit ago, and he said that he wasn't doing anything, and he declines to have hardware problems, and his Finder just locked-up, and he couldn't relaunch it, he HAD to log out, and then back in... How often does this happen? He seems to believe that OS X commonly has finder lockups and crashes, but I disagree. I believe that when the user has done nothing, and there are no hardware problems, the likelyhood of a finder-lockup is EXTREMELY RARE.. Comments? extendmac
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witeshark #2 (permalink)
Member Since: Mar 09, 2004 Location: Miami FL Posts: 2,860 Mac Specs: G4 1Ghz OS X 10.4.7	08-07-2004, 09:43 PM I believe it's incredibly rare and likely happens with a computer less than ideally maintained. Since Christmas, I have had no problems at all! Last edited by witeshark; 08-07-2004 at 09:48 PM.
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Graeme43 #6 (permalink)
Member Since: Dec 15, 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 428 Mac Specs: I love student discount (sig)	08-08-2004, 11:45 AM thats the same build as i have its not a beta iBook G3 (2001) 500MHz 384 RAM 9.2.2 / 10.2.8 Titanium PowerBook G4 (2001) 500MHz 768 RAM 9.2.2/10.2.8 Mac Pro (2007) 4x2.66GHz, 6GB RAM, 10.6.7 iPad 3G + iPhone 4
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Member Since: Jul 22, 2003 Location: Hamilton College Posts: 7,003 Mac Specs: 20" iMac C2D 2.16ghz, 13" MacBook 2.0ghz, 60gb iPod vid, 1gb nano	08-08-2004, 12:37 PM When you buy panther separately it doesn't come with Classic. Don't forget to use the new User Reputation System
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Member Since: Oct 27, 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 13,213 Mac Specs: MacBook Pro \| LED Cinema Display \| iPhone 4 \| iPad 2	08-09-2004, 07:57 AM Mine has only crashed once and that was because of some very poorly written alpha software so that was really my fault schweb \| community leader flickr » facebook » twitter » tumblr » google+ » about.me Mac-Forums: On Twitter \| On Facebook \| On Flickr
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hype.it #4 (permalink)
Member Since: Mar 27, 2004 Location: China Posts: 738 Mac Specs: Dual 2.2GHz powered by AMD Opteron - Sends G5 & 8Gb Ram to scrap heap Yeah! finally switched BACK!	08-07-2004, 10:41 PM Depends what your doing and running i think... I've had it locking up for running some poorly coded shareware applications, occasionally when I'm opening huge documents. Since installing Panther, haven't experience a Kernel Panic, yet! But i do lose my Finder regularly, i just re-login and every-thing's fine. FYI: 500Mb isn't what i regard as a large document, I'm thinking more along the lines of 1.2Gb or bigger!
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Ragle #5 (permalink)
Member Since: Jul 26, 2004 Posts: 67	08-08-2004, 11:25 AM I have experienced frequent lock-ups and crashes. I had thought it was because I don't have enough RAM (384 MB) to run all the programs I do at once (usually, Safari, MSN Messenger, iChat, iTunes, sometimes Dreamweaver or an Office app). Now I think I am using an incomplete or corrupted version of Panther. According to my System Info, the following is what I show as being the versions I have installed: System Software Overview: System Version: Mac OS X 10.3.4 (7H63) Kernel Version: Darwin 7.4.0 Considering I have 4 discs and not one of them has the Classic installer, I am beginning to think I have either a Beta build or some other fishiness. Any thoughts?
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MAC-simus #8 (permalink)
Member Since: Jan 08, 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 442 Mac Specs: 2GHz C2D macbook	08-08-2004, 02:54 PM in my experience finder lock ups happen when: 1. user clicks (one click, to highlight) on video files (.avi; .mov) in column view. the finder is trying to generate the preview and you get a spining wheel. the duration of lock up depends on hardware speed and video compression. 2. user tries to brows folders on connected server when connection speed is low. same thing here: finder generates the preview and the connection speed determines the lock up duretion. if you just let it go finder will get back to normal as soon as it completes the task. (may take a while). this is not a crush! you cannot log out or do anything if it crushes. you cant even forse quit/relounch.
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Absolute Zero #9 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 05, 2003 Location: I'm slowly sinking in the posts of Mac-forums Posts: 1,246 Mac Specs: PowerBook 12" Combo Drive/867 MHz/256 MB RAM/40 GB hard drive/Mac OS X 10.3.5/AirPort Extreme it sux	08-08-2004, 06:33 PM Mac OS X has crashed 7 times a few days ago, and again like 3 days ago.
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Member Since: Jun 11, 2003 Location: Mount Vernon, WA Posts: 4,905 Mac Specs: MacBook Pro 2.6 GHz Core 2 Duo 4GB RAM OS 10.5.2	08-09-2004, 10:52 AM Yeah mine has never crashed, the Finder has crashed with beta software, but the whole system has never crashed. ---> Join the Mac-Forums Folding team: use 37954 as your team number. View Mac-Forums Folding team statistics (More Info) Don't forget to use the User Reputation System
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Strider #13 (permalink)
Member Since: Apr 09, 2004 Location: Dubai Posts: 973 Mac Specs: 15" MBP 2.16GHz ^ATI Radeon X1600 256MB ^100GB @ 7200 rpm ^2GB RAM ^Glossy Screen +iPod 4G 20 gigs	08-09-2004, 11:24 AM My system has crashed a few times, and during those instances, I cant force quit or anything, the mouse doesnt move and I have to shut off the whole system by keeping the power button depressed and then starting it back on. My mac is well maintained and I dont use huge programs/files. Just normal stuff.
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zakatov #14 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	08-09-2004, 06:09 PM I suspect that bad RAM is to blame for most of the system instability, because in many cases it is the ONLY 3rd party hardware installed. I have good (Apple/Crucial) RAM in all my systems, and never had any panics or lockups. just my 2 cents
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Absolute Zero #15 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 05, 2003 Location: I'm slowly sinking in the posts of Mac-forums Posts: 1,246 Mac Specs: PowerBook 12" Combo Drive/867 MHz/256 MB RAM/40 GB hard drive/Mac OS X 10.3.5/AirPort Extreme it sux	08-09-2004, 06:20 PM Nothing wrong with my PowerBook...
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