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Thread: Panther 10.3.X : crashes over crashes

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    Panther 10.3.X : crashes over crashes
    I am asking for help or advice. I have a brand new (february 2004)
    Power Mac G4 - 1.25 GHz - 768 (256 + 512) RAM
    (I have also installed recently a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 card, but problems occured before).

    OS X.3 was pre-installed. I have updated to 10.3.2, then to 10.3.3. Then had to re-install the whole stuff due to crashes, and updated again to 10.3.2 and 10.3.3.

    I still have several and numerous unexplained crashes every now and then, specially on games (such as UT demo for example) (they just quit with no warning)
    Also with "normal" applications, sometimes the rainbow wheel appears and i am forced either to quit the finder or reboot the whole stuff. I am really at a loss.
    I had first thought it was because of the "default folder" appli I had first installed, and indeed it (seemingly) worked better after I re-installed OS X. But the problems are back.
    Any idea or solution ?

    mail :

  2. #2

    witeshark's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 09, 2004
    Miami FL
    try repair permissions. close all apps and log totally off. Log on, go in Finder, Applications. Utilities, Disk Utility. After the message -getting disk information- select volume (below the hard drive name -upper left corner. Just highlight it. Now look to the lower two things are there near the middle, varify permissions, repair permissions. Click repair permissions. Also make sure you run cron tasks Finder, Applications. Utilities Terminal type (switching to root - superuser) sudo sh /etc/daily > this needs to be done /weekly (instead of dailly) and monthly. again with all apps closed. Also, a new Mac in Feb I would think would have had 10.3.2 already... mine did...

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    Well, well, well... Is OSX a (bad) joke ?
    Thanks for answering. I've tried the disk utility stuff., have done everything all rigth, repaired permissions; even did better and ran the fsck-f (everything ok) as some other advised me. Also ran Onyx to empty caches, optimize, script this and that etc...
    Tonight, back home, I tried unreal tournameznt demo 2004 : crash, after crash, after, crash. Sigh.And launched onyx : ahemm, crashed
    Below is the (beginning) of the crash log (whole stuff too long). I heard the RAM (the 512 extra M could be involved...)
    Big big sigh. My OS9 mac was soooooooo simple & steady
    Shall I kick G4 and OSX to the bin?


    Command: OnyX
    Path: /Applications/
    Version: 1.4.2 (1.4.2)
    PID: 327
    Thread: 0

    Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
    Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x7e7bbb5c

    Thread 0 Crashed:
    0 libobjc.A.dylib 0x908311e8 objc_msgSend + 0x8
    1 0x92def7b8 -[NSLayoutManager(NSTextViewSupport) layoutManagerOwnsFirstResponderInWindow:] + 0x44
    2 0x92df5d94 -[NSTextView(NSPrivate) _shouldHaveBlinkTimer] + 0x154
    3 0x92df3f14 -[NSTextView(NSSharing) updateInsertionPointStateAndRestartTimer:] + 0x184
    4 0x92f20ba4 -[NSTextView(NSSharing) becomeKeyWindow] + 0x38
    5 0x92face10 -[NSSecureTextView becomeKeyWindow] + 0x90
    6 0x92e7fbb4 -[NSWindow becomeKeyWindow] + 0x1dc
    7 0x92f3a0a0 _NXShowKeyAndMain + 0x140
    8 0x92df4a38 -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 0x5d0
    9 0x92dfd73c -[NSApplication run] + 0x240
    10 0x92eb9b80 NSApplicationMain + 0x1d0
    11 com.titanium.OnyX 0x00009164 main + 0x84 (main.m:20)
    12 com.titanium.OnyX 0x00008e10 _start + 0x188 (crt.c:267)
    13 com.titanium.OnyX 0x00008c84 start + 0x30

    Thread 1:
    0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90017048 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 0x8
    1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x9000e890 _pthread_cond_wait + 0x270
    2 0x90a4c238 -[NSConditionLock lockWhenCondition:] + 0x44
    3 0x92dca8dc -[NSUIHeartBeat _heartBeatThread:] + 0x190
    4 0x90a3a2c4 forkThreadForFunction + 0x6c
    5 libSystem.B.dylib 0x900247e8 _pthread_body + 0x28

    PPC Thread State:
    srr0: 0x908311e8 srr1: 0x0200f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
    cr: 0x48044424 xer: 0x00000003 lr: 0x92def7b8 ctr: 0x908311e0
    r0: 0x92def7b8 r1: 0xbffff040 r2: 0x0203ee4c r3: 0x7e7bbb5c
    r4: 0x9083eb88 r5: 0x001ea130 r6: 0x00116b50 r7: 0xbffff140
    r8: 0xbffff13c r9: 0x00000000 r10: 0x00000000 r11: 0xa2dc1f8c
    r12: 0x908311e0 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
    r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
    r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x00000000 r23: 0x00000000
    r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x01a7fd60 r26: 0x00000000 r27: 0x01a7fc30
    r28: 0x001ce500 r29: 0x00000000 r30: 0x01e52cf0 r31: 0x92def774

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    rman's Avatar
    Member Since
    Dec 24, 2002
    Los Angeles, California
    First question, did you buy Apple care when you purcahsed your power mac? If so you may want to give Apple a call.

    Since you received your power mac in February, I am assuming you don't have a lot of data. If you can, get a back up of your data. Next download the Mac OS X 10.3.3 combination updater. Then re-install OS X 10.3.3 using the downloaded file. After that run disk utilities to repair permissions.

    This may resolve your problem. My guess is that you, may have a corrupted file or two.

    If it does not. Re-install a fresh copy of OS X 10.3 and wipe the disk clean before you install. After you get it to 10.3, then install the downloaded file to bring it to 10.3.3. Don't forget to repair permissions. Make sure the system is stable before start adding back your personal files.
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, It's about learning to dance in the rain!

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    Murlyn's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jun 11, 2003
    Mount Vernon, WA
    And make sure that you have good ram.. if you have any bad ram, you'll be crashing up a storm and having other serious problems..

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    rman's Avatar
    Member Since
    Dec 24, 2002
    Los Angeles, California
    You may want to do as Murlyn suggest. Remove the additional ram chip first.
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, It's about learning to dance in the rain!

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    Thanks for answers
    Is there a rationnal way to know if a ram is corrupt ?

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    rman's Avatar
    Member Since
    Dec 24, 2002
    Los Angeles, California
    No, the only thing you can do is remove it and see what happens. If the system works better, then there is a ram problem.
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, It's about learning to dance in the rain!

  9. #9
    Back in the game
    Good stuff.
    Removed memory chip / could play through the whole demo with no crashes.
    Replaced chip, and changed slots for a change. Crashes again, somzetimes right from the start, or mouse freeze, etc...
    Removed chip again : seems to run allright.

    I think my retailer willl hear from em soon.

    Thanks for the support.

    Peter, from France.

  10. #10

    rman's Avatar
    Member Since
    Dec 24, 2002
    Los Angeles, California
    The memory chip sure cause you a big headache. At least you don't have to reload the OS.
    Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass, It's about learning to dance in the rain!

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