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Unable to re-install OS Snow Leopard on my Late 2009 Mac Book Air


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On another note when I put in my New SDD, would it be benificial to Partition into 2 and put the OS in one and mark the second as for DATA? Would this help recovery of data in future with any eventualities?If so
1. Should borth partitions set for "GUID" at format?
2. How much GB better allocated for OS as I will be migrating to Maveric if I am sucessful with the Snow Leopard installation.
I would be ever so greatful for your advice & guidence

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When a hard drive fails, it doesn't matter what partition the data is on.

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Another observation I realised not happening after watching few You Tube postings, is that on every attempt of mine when I tried to install from Disk run from my super drive, When I press the start button on my Mac Book Air... I do not hear the chime?

Does that have any bearing on the functionality of my Mac Book Air. I thought od asking this while I am awaiting for my SSD to arrive..

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Do you hear the chime other times or is it gone altogether?
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Do you hear the chime other times or is it gone altogether?
Not other times I mean prior to the failure of my device, I kept turned off the sound all the time while functioning.
I use to turn it on if needs to - like listening to music on you tube or talking to some-one on face time.
Once the need is over I press the sound button on my keyboard until a X appear over the speaker on screen leave with no sound. Now with my device failed, I did not think about the starter chime, until I watched few you-tube posting!

On every attempt of my re-install after the disk gives the option to access Disk Utility or Install, I could see on the top left corner my home WiFi as available and I could sign into it as well as Battery status. it will also prompt to connect to mains if not connected...

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If the startup POST chime is not sounding at all, it may mean a hardware failure has occurred. The chime is an indicator that the machine passed the Power On Self Test (POST) meaning the memory is OK and logic board is functioning. No chime, something is wrong.
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I just attempted to run Disk 2 of my original Snow Leopard Disk that has the AHT.
I start to test but then get a lock up screen.

Thank you all for your advice.
I am sad but the reality is probably a Logic Board Failure... I could not bring myself to try a new SSD as I may not able to return-So I have cancelled my order that I placed for a SSD.


A very heavy heart... Life has to go on..It is not my health but an equipment was not return to health.

I would like to try changing my logic board for a working one but feel too expensive to try my curiosity..

I could sell mine for parts but have no idea as to how to go about..

Thanking you all again

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Hi After many attempt I managed to install the Disk 1 content of Snow Leopard.
Had the following screens to say
1.Installed Succeeded
2.Additional Information
Then restarted
3. Different languages floting by screen
4 Welcome screen to choose my country
5 Do you already own a Mac to transfer back up (I did not have)
6.Select wireless network
7 Enter your Apple ID
8 Select picture for your account
9.Enter Apple account details

at this point my screen got frozen.. with a window telling me to force quit . As the install got acknowledged I turn on the sound and heard the chime!


Now I am not sure how to restart... I am very scared to just press the start button because I do not know if I would corrupt my installation.
What is the best way to start to see if the installation had taken effect?


Would this happen if there is a problem with Logic Board?/ What could be the cause for this lock ups? Is there any firmware updates I need to install?

I am again very grateful if you could suggest me of any steps I could follow...

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Would this happen if there is a problem with Logic Board?/ What could be the cause for this lock ups? Is there any firmware updates I need to install?
No, it appears the Logic Board is OK. The lock ups of freezes could be due to a defective hard drive. Firmware updates will appear if needed by activating software update.

Just go ahead and restart the machine to see if it will boot normally and not freeze up. Let us know.
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No, it appears the Logic Board is OK. The lock ups of freezes could be due to a defective hard drive. Firmware updates will appear if needed by activating software update.

Just go ahead and restart the machine to see if it will boot normally and not freeze up. Let us know.
It was late night I did not see your post.

Got this morning here in UK and restarted-
It did boot ok but did not hear the "start up Chime" as Apple logo appeared.

Also in the past I use to hear a faint spinning or to something to that effect (a very faint spin sound) and see a small rapidly blinking white light at the front lid joint as when the start button is pressed. This is not as obvious as it use to be by the way.

But once booted I am able to go to safari and sound works-if that make any difference to find what is going on.

I tried on the top left Apple logo and checked for update-There 1.2GB update available, agreed to down load, and on the screen where I have not set a password, selected ok
Down load began and into 278Mb a small window appeared "Apple download is tampered with and could not continue with the download.. will try later or to something to that effect."
(I did not install the disk 2 of my original Snow Leopard installation disks -worried if I will hit a screen lock-up, I am sure I made aware before.)

It is kernel panic message Now I realised because I found this and is what the message is :

This message may appear: "You need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button for several seconds or press the Restart button."
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I found this on my Mac Book Air:
31/07/2009 11:36:55 airportd[47] [most time: (1.684262) _scan] trace: <CFArray 0x100102710 [0x7fff70d6ff00]>{type = mutable-small, count = 14, values = (
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31/07/2009 11:37:54 Software Update[131] SWU: scan found 5 products:
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31/07/2009 11:38:12 Software Update[131] SWU: downloading "Remote Desktop Client Update, 3.5.4"
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31/07/2009 11:38:14 Software Update[131] SWU: downloading "iTunes, 10.6.3"
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31/07/2009 11:38:26 Software Update[131] SWU: downloading "AirPort Utility, 5.6.1"
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31/07/2009 11:40:10 Software Update[131] SWU: downloading "Mac OS X Update Combined, 10.6.8 v1.1"
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31/07/2009 20:53:32 airportd[18] [most time: (0.763449) _association] trace: <CFArray 0x100109860 [0x7fff70d6ff00]>{type = mutable-small, count = 6, values = (
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31/07/2009 11:36:55 airportd[47] [most time: (1.684262) _scan] trace: <CFArray 0x100102710 [0x7fff70d6ff00]>{type = mutable-small, count = 14, values = (
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31/07/2009 20:53:32 airportd[18] [most time: (0.763449) _association] trace: <CFArray 0x100109860 [0x7fff70d6ff00]>{type = mutable-small, count = 6, values = (
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I have chosen to close the computer in the normal way-Top left where choose to shut down.

I notice my Mac Book Air Date is July 2009!! If you see the above log it suggests July 2009!! I bought this computer on the 2nd Sept 2009 from Apple direct.

I did not try download again because when problem started the lock up came up halfway through my down load (To recap my earlier experience)

Should I still go a head and check for updates and select to download?
or Is there any special update I need to install?
My non-computer knowledge mind wonders, if the downloads are in "small packets" may get installed without hitting a lock up screen?

Thank you again for your thoughts and help.

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I could hear the "chime" at the start of the system

Instead of attempting to update through the top left corner: Apple-> Software Update....
I should go to Apple and download "Mac OS X 10.6.8 update Combo V1.1?

I am ever so grateful for your advice.

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On booting I could hear the chime at the beginning prior to the Apple logo appear... then the spinning circle..and screen turn blue and window opens as normal.
I can reach safari.. and google.

Re attempted at installing software update..
got a message appeared ""The digital signature on the update is missing or invalid. The update may have been tampered with since being signed by Apple. The update will be downloaded and checked again the next time that Software Update runs"

When I looked at the details a exclamation mark at iLife?

So I have tick for not to install iLife, allowed to be installed but the same message again: "The digital signature on the update is missing or invalid. The update may have been tampered with since being signed by Apple. The update will be downloaded and checked again the next time that Software Update runs"?

Is there any thing I could do?

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... I could not bring myself to try a new SSD as I may not able to return-So I have cancelled my order that I placed for a SSD.
If your SSD has failed...you can continue to try whatever you're trying a MILLION times...and it will not change anything!

It's like having an automobile tyre (UK spelling)...with a big hole in it. You can try a million times to inflate it...but you're going to still end up with a flat tyre because of the big hole.

The most obvious answer is the SSD has failed in your computer...and you're just beating a dead horse continuing to troubleshoot further. If you're going to be a DIY home computer repairer...you've got to have known good parts to swap for potentially bad parts (the SSD in this case). YOU NEED A NEW SSD TO TEST WITH!!!

FYI...you should be able to boot this computer from an external device:

- external hard drive
- USB thumb drive
- external optical drive (with an OS install DVD)

So set yourself up an external HD, bootable USB stick, or an external optical drive...and try to boot up the computer. If it boots successfully from an external device...then the internal SSD is bad.

Also...booting from an external device can also allow you to examine & possibly repair the internal SSD.

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I agree with Nick. Not 100% sure what but something has failed. It very well could be the drive. You are getting file corruption and something is causing it.

Do you have an External hard drive? If so install to that. Do you still have the issues? If not, then it's the internal drive, if you still do, something Memory or Logic Board related.
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It downloaded the necessary install once I set the Time zone and the Year correct on my computer.

However after full download while it was installing just prior to finish for a restart it has got the kernel panic message with lock up screen...
How should I go about restarting to implement my download..?
I feel if I force quit my computer it is not going to start..

Any helpful suggestion please.
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