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    I am using OS 10.8.4. Despite many virus scans (using Saphos) and junk removal programs (Clean My Mac, MacKeeper, and Tune Up My Mac), plus going thru all of the stuff I have saved o eliminate what I no longer use, my Mac seems to be getting slower in the long term. I have 319 GB total capacity and have 241 GB available.
    Is the computer storing something that I don't know about? All the time I read articles where computer whizzes recover things from bad guys computers that the bad guy didn't know was there. Am I just paranoid or are there background things that I can get rid of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by earley View Post
    Am I just paranoid or are there background things that I can get rid of?
    Yes, you are paranoid..... sorry.
    Hidden files are mostly preferences and such. But, there are large parts of OS X intentionally hidden. Basically, since you don't know what's what, leave it all alone.

    All those things you've installed are probably the cause of the slowdown. They use system resources with Very Little positive effect. You should use the Uninstall procedure for each of them and uninstall ASAP.

    Another thing to consider. How much RAM do you have?

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    About 95% (that may be an understatement) of the regulars here are going to recommend that you get rid of:

    Sophos
    Clean My Mac
    MacKeeper
    Tune Up My Mac

    and don't put any of them back on your machine again.

    Then, if you want a cleaning tool, get Onyx or Maintenance (simpler version) - link - the only OS X cleaning tool recommended here with any regularity - and they're free. There are a couple of good paid apps, however you have not listed any of them.

    Personally recommend using the Automation tab of Onyx with everything checked under the Maintenance and Cleaning sections when you begin to notice slow downs or once every 2-6 months if you have a mechanical drive - much less often on a SSD.

    As gsahli notes above, running multiple cleaning apps on your machine could very well be what's currently slowing it down.
    And, you need to make sure you use the uninstaller that came with all of those apps, not just drag them to the trash.
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    In the Windows world, most everything folks don't understand is called a virus.

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    Another note - if you have been moving large amounts of data on and off the machine, your HDD could very well have it's free space highly fragmented and have your data spread from one end of the drive to the other - this will slow down your computer.

    You can download the trial of iDefrag to determine if this is the case.
    If you need to defrag the drive, I highly recommend it.

    To defrag for free (since you should already have one of these in use), you could use cloning software Superduper! or CarbonCopyCloner to clone to an external drive, boot to that external and after making sure all is well, clone it back to your internal drive.

    In my experience, iDefrag will show a superior improvement in boot times and application launch times over the cloning method.


    (Anyone with a SSD, don't be defragging your drive.)
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    If you want to know what and where stuff is on your drive, see my recommendations here:

    http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/swi...-7-10-8-a.html

    And don't go about deleting anything that you don't know 'for sure" what it is.
    Else we'll be seeing another post about your machine not working right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earley View Post
    I am using OS 10.8.4. Despite many virus scans (using Saphos) and junk removal programs (Clean My Mac, MacKeeper, and Tune Up My Mac), plus going thru all of the stuff I have saved o eliminate what I no longer use, my Mac seems to be getting slower in the long term. I have 319 GB total capacity and have 241 GB available.
    Is the computer storing something that I don't know about? All the time I read articles where computer whizzes recover things from bad guys computers that the bad guy didn't know was there. Am I just paranoid or are there background things that I can get rid of?
    You're making a large assumption that your computer is slow due to hard drive issues. Although hard drive issues can sometimes contribute to "slowness"...it's far from the only thing. With 241gig out of 320 available...it might be better to focus efforts somewhere else (read the links in my signature).

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    First, thanks to all a lot to all for trying to help a paranoid. I'll try to respond to each.

    First to gsahli: I ran CleanMyMac then went to uninstall. That lists ever app that I have in the app folder, and asks me to check those that I want to uninstall. I don't know if I should check them all or what.
    I have in memory 2 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

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    To bobtomay:
    1. I went to ONYX and the download is MacKeeper, which I already use.
    2. I installed the demo version of iDefrag and see a long list of files. Do I have to clone my entire HD then run iDefrag on the clone?

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    More to bobtomay: I went to the link in your post and downloaded Onyx from there and when I tried to open it I get a message that it can't be opened because it is from an unidentified developer.

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    To pigoo3:
    1. I don't see "Beachballs". Mabee it is because I don't know what the are.
    2. "speedup" is for OS 10.4. I am using 10.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by earley View Post
    2. "speedup" is for OS 10.4. I am using 10.8
    Don't be so dismissive. Many of the things mentioned in "Speedup" are still useful for 10.8. That article was just written when OS 10.4 was "new".

    Good luck finding a solution.

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    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by earley View Post
    More to bobtomay: I went to the link in your post and downloaded Onyx from there and when I tried to open it I get a message that it can't be opened because it is from an unidentified developer.
    Slydude vainly attempting to impersonate bobtomay lol

    You've run into a security feature called Gatekeeper. You could disable it permanently but personally I prefer to disable Gatekeeper on a case by case basis.
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    Sorry pigoo3, and thanks Slydude (it worked)

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    More to bobtomay:
    If I trash Sophos what do I use as an anti virus? I trashed Norton anti virus in favor of Sophos at the suggestion of folks here.

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    If you "must" have an AV, guess Sophos is ok.

    If not, don't:
    open attachments that you don't know what they are in any email - even from people you know
    download illegal software/movies/torrents/etc nor any that are not posted on un-trusted sites
    click on / download anything from a browser popup window

    That's about it.
    I cannot be held responsible for the things that come out of my mouth.
    In the Windows world, most everything folks don't understand is called a virus.

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