01-29-2012, 08:15 AM

I try to put the "computer" to sleep with Mac OS 10.4.11
(16! Apple added a pile of updates after the .11 Combo update)
over a G5, model 7,3 with 2 PPC G5(3.1) cpu:s fully firmware updated
and all wake up options unchecked in the OS
and no antivirus, security, or "cleaning" software installed or MacKeeper
and no user programs open.

I have set the screen saver to open after 10 minutes (to warn me),
the screen to sleep after 15 minutes and
the"computer" to sleep after 30 minutes.
I have to enter password to open the screen in all cases.

However, the screen saver appears to remain open and 'buzzes' the "computer" alive every 10 minutes, but not the screen.

Glancing over similar and related issues (e.g. Energy Saver) in other threads, I find that Apple has a can of worms here and reaching all the way through 10.7.

How does one reach Apple and persuade it to clean up from 10.4 and all the way up ?

01-29-2012, 09:12 AM

Uh yeah, Apple isn't going to provide any more updates to 10.4. Ever.

As for your problem… my Mac sleeps just fine despite the screen saver. Something else is waking your Mac (Wake-On-LAN setting perhaps), or you maybe you simply have a corrupt preference file.

01-29-2012, 10:44 AM

"Uh ... yeah .." why not cf.:
... "(16! Apple added a pile of updates after the .11 Combo update)" ...
and cf.:
" ... and all wake up options unchecked in the OS ... "
and preference files are Apple's job.
and how do You know, that Your computer actually IS sleeping ?

01-29-2012, 11:37 AM

If you feel you have a bone to pick with Apple, by all means go ahead. Apple has a support website and we are not at all affiliated with Apple. Nor are you likely to get a lot of interest or sentiment for your situation here.

Most of us moved on from Tiger (10.4) a long time ago and believe in Apple's choice to move on rather than be forever wed to legacy OSes. Those who are still running Tiger on older Macs don't appear to be having the problems you are.

Jus my opinion FWIW

01-29-2012, 11:47 AM

Apple released Mac OS 10.4 (Tiger) in April 2005, and it was superseded by Mac OS 10.5 in October 2007. The last update for 10.4 was in 2009 for security issues present in 10.4 and 10.5. Not for bug fixes. Not to add new features. To address security issues that it just happened to have in common with 10.5. Apple is not going to work on bugs, perceived or real, on an OS that has, at this point, been superseded by 3 new OS releases. You can futilely demand to them that they do so; move on; or let us help you figure out what the REAL problem is with your system. Your choice.

01-31-2012, 02:01 PM

To MacRazer:

Not being affiliated would be a strength, if not frittered away.

Concerning
"Those who are still running Tiger on older Macs don't appear to be having the problems you are."
Cf. Threadhead:
"Glancing over similar and related issues (e.g. Energy Saver) in other threads, I find that Apple has a can of worms here and reaching all the way through 10.7. "

01-31-2012, 02:44 PM

To Live on the beach:

Cf. threadhead:
"Glancing over similar and related issues (e.g. Energy Saver) in other threads, I find that Apple has a can of worms here and reaching all the way through 10.7."

For knowledge of "what the REAL problem is with your system" is cf. Threadhead.

For thinking: It's never to late to help.

01-31-2012, 09:35 PM

Ummmm…. what? Ah never mind. I fear an explanation would just make my head hurt more.

02-01-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by EAR

I try to put the "computer" to sleep with Mac OS 10.4.11
(16! Apple added a pile of updates after the .11 Combo update)
over a G5, model 7,3 with 2 PPC G5(3.1) cpu:s fully firmware updated
and all wake up options unchecked in the OS
and no antivirus, security, or "cleaning" software installed or MacKeeper
and no user programs open.

I have set the screen saver to open after 10 minutes (to warn me),
the screen to sleep after 15 minutes and
the"computer" to sleep after 30 minutes.
I have to enter password to open the screen in all cases.

However, the screen saver appears to remain open and 'buzzes' the "computer" alive every 10 minutes, but not the screen.

Glancing over similar and related issues (e.g. Energy Saver) in other threads, I find that Apple has a can of worms here and reaching all the way through 10.7 !

How does one reach Apple and persuade it to clean up from 10.4 and all the way up ?

Addendum 2/1/12:
Glancing over similar and related issues (e.g. Energy Saver) in other threads, I find that Apple has a can of worms here and reaching all the way through 10.7 !

I would like to collect posts about the same or related issues like above to see, which incidents are not explainable within correct OS operation. I would then try to compile tentative explanations for misbehaviors and try to enlist Apple Support for solutions.

To this end I request affected readers to post their similar problems in the thread "Screen saver blocks sleep". This is better than that I miss a lot through ignoring threads about superficially different problems.

Perhaps the format above can serve as template for reporting.
N.B.:As different Mac models may behave differently, it is important to specify the affected computer in detail e.g. as above.

Please notify anybody else You believe to be affected.
Success will largely depend on You !

Thanks for Your cooperation !

02-02-2012, 10:24 AM

Dear "RazorMac",
I couldn't reply @ 'Sleep mode with latest security updates on Powermac g5', because that thread unfortunately is closed, though that title now is more pertinent than 'Screen saver blocks sleep'.
Thus, I copy Your message here for all to see, and trust, that You will find Your way here:

" @EAR
Honestly, I have tried to understand where you are coming from . . . But something isn't clicking. All I see is that foe some reason you don't understand:

1) We are not Apple, nor are we affiliated with them. If you want to send them a message go right ahead. No one is questioning your right to do it. But posting these garbled messages here isn't going to do it

2) You seem to being wanting to stir some kind of "grass roots" outrage. But, I doubt you will find many here having whatever problem it is that you do have (still not understanding where you are coming from on this) "


It seems regrettable, that You don't " understand where you are coming from . . ."
Nevertheless, I will try to be plain enough for You:

,0- I come from a problem
.1- to Mac Forums — independent/unaffiliated forums about Mac problems (wrong?)
.2- I describe my perception of my problem as succinctly and completely as I know
.3- I state my endeavor to correct the problem
.4- I invite all to contribute knowledge about the problem

As for " these garbled messages ", I'm confident, that You are speaking for Yourself
As for " wanting to stir some kind of "grass roots" outrage ": How about Yourself ?

I herewith politely invite You out

02-02-2012, 10:30 AM

Im lost in this thread . . . . Confusing to say the least

02-02-2012, 10:43 AM

Yeah, You have my sympathy. Some computing problems are more complex than others / EAR

02-02-2012, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by EAR

I herewith politely invite You out

I don't understand this unless you are asking me to ignore future posts by yourself.
If that is the case, then I will be glad to comply since:
1) We don't appear to be able to communicate
2) You still seem to be unable to understand that
a) We are here to help SOLVE problems (and you don't seem to be looking for technical help)
b) Whatever problem it is that you do have, you have so far failed to adequately communicate it to us. I understand if English is not your primary language (don't know if it is or isn't) that that in itself can be a problem
c) My "garbled" comment refers to the above, because you continue to restate and copy verbatim words (that while perhaps perfectly clear to yourself) leave us scratching our heads, wondering what you really are trying to say

Now, if you want to start over from the beginning and let us try to help you work through your technical issue, you will probably get some assistance (whether we can fix it is another thing)

But if all you want is a soap box to stand on, suggest you are wasting your time here.

Razormac Out

02-02-2012, 12:42 PM

There is a gap in communication here that is being exacerbated by a lack of clarity. EAR, it would benefit all of us if you reposed your question in a clear and concise manner so that we can assist you. As it is now, we are having a hard time deciphering your questions/concerns.

If your question is still about your sleep issues, it has been answered.

02-02-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by EAR

Yeah, You have my sympathy. Some computing problems are more complex than others / EAR

Arrogance won't help you here. The fact is - you have a cryptic method of posting - that I too am having trouble following. While you have managed to communicate your frustration and attitude clearly - everything else is being lost in translation. Take a deep breath - nothing here is worth getting your pulse up over - and then we can start over. If you want help troubleshooting - that has already been offered here.