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Turn on ACTIVITY MONITOR.
Close Safari.
Dump the cache.
Restart Safari.
Log on to a media site...e.g. a newspaper.
Watch the available free memory disappear.
In my case ...4 Gb...it goes down to 7 Mb !!!!!
Whereas in Snow Leopard loading was instantaneous in Lion it can take upwards of 40 seconds for the same page to load.
I have ...today...ordered another 4 Gb memory.
Hope it fixes the main part of the problem until Apple realises...and fixes...their version of Windows Vista.
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It's Safari. Don't use it.

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That was a problem early on in Lion with Safari, but that was fixed some time back. What version of Safari are you running? And of Lion? I can tell you I'm not having that problem now, and I know I was before when Lion first came out.


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It's Safari. Don't use it.
Agreed 100% there.

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It's odd that this doesn't affect everyone... I have had zero issues.
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It's odd that this doesn't affect everyone... I have had zero issues.
It shows a lot more with heavy Flash usage. Otherwise it's sort of fixed.
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Hahaha... I install Click To Flash on every system. It's pretty much one of the first things that I do.
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So what have we learned today?

We've learned that Safari is not the issue. Flash is the issue.
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So what have we learned today?

We've learned that Safari is not the issue. Flash is the issue.
When did we establish that this was the problem here? The OP didn't mention Flash at all. I agree that Flash is problematic but we have no idea what role is does or doesn't play here.

To the OP: what website are you experiencing these problems on? Safari is known to have memory management problems and the judge is still out on whether 5.1.2 fixes that (as noted here and here) but it shouldn't be that bad.

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So what have we learned today?

We've learned that Safari is not the issue. Flash is the issue.
If Flash is ever an issue, it's because of shoddy programming. I can reproduce the same type of issues with many HTML 5 based sites. Besides, it is not Flash which is/was the main problem...it was the Safari memory leak... a very real thing.

I've personally never had an issue using FF on or off Flash sites or streaming.

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If Flash is ever an issue, it's because of shoddy programming. I can reproduce the same type of issues with many HTML 5 based sites.
It's interesting you say that and I wish more people would see this. HTML5 can be unnecessarily complex in the name of "pizazz" which ends up making my CPU cry. If I open up this HTML5 demo for example and set it to 500 snowflakes, both of my CPU cores shoot up to 50% usage which is a lot for falling snowflakes and some music in a web page. Now, I still much prefer this over Flash but HTML5 has its problems as well (still waiting on that fullscreen video for example).

On stability: I've never seen an HTML5 application take down a page quite like a Flash app can since a browser can handle HTML errors much more gracefully but it's far from perfect.

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The OP may not say "Flash" directly, but "Open a Media Site" and "Newspaper" both scream of Flash. Sorry.

I ran his little "test" but went to my normal sites; here, a few other forum sites, FB, and then I went to Vimeo (nearly 100% non-flash now) and I have to say, I didnt notice any real memory leak as described, however memory use went up at FB.

Besides, I use my iPad for media consumption, my MBP for media creation.

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You can visit quite a few media sites that don't use Flash. Media streaming and sites from media corporations are not one and the same. In fact, I could easily read the news (and frequently do) without ever seeing Flash content.

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Is Safari an issue, should I be using a different browser?

Mine seems to work fine...
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Use whatever works for you since every application has benefits and problems. Safari may have its problems but so does Firefox, Chrome and Opera. If you like Safari, stick with it. If, however, you haven't tried the other browsers, it couldn't hurt to test run them to see if you like something more.

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