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    Replacement for Rosetta in Lion?
    Does anyone know of a replacement available from anywhere, for Rosetta, that will allow PowerPC programs to run when using Lion?

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    So far, I haven't heard of anything - but then again, I haven't heard any reason why the version of Rosetta bundled into 10.6 wouldn't run in 10.7. I also haven't heard whether 10.7 will remove an existing install of Rosetta when upgrading from 10.6. I guess we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    So far, I haven't heard of anything - but then again, I haven't heard any reason why the version of Rosetta bundled into 10.6 wouldn't run in 10.7. I also haven't heard whether 10.7 will remove an existing install of Rosetta when upgrading from 10.6. I guess we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks.
    Just reading some info. at macworld, they were saying Rosetta will not work with Lion, therefore anyone still using older versions of Quicken or any version of Appleworks or any PowerPC program will be out of luck.
    I am going to start the process of changing all my Appleworks files I wanted to keep over to Types that Open office can open, usually means saving the appleworks files in word or excel formats as applicable. I am also not going to rush into switching to Lion anyway. Hopefully someone will come to our aid with a new translator.

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    CWA, all I have read seems to say Rosetta will not work in 10.7. Time will tell for sure, but I also feel down the line someone will make an emulator like say Sheep Sheerer that runs OS9 apps in OSX for Lion.

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    I've read the same. Also, unless Rosetta is carried over when upgrading Snow Leopard to Lion, as far as I can determine, there is no way to download it from Apple. It's also possible the Lion upgrade will disable Rosetta if it's present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    So far, I haven't heard of anything - but then again, I haven't heard any reason why the version of Rosetta bundled into 10.6 wouldn't run in 10.7. I also haven't heard whether 10.7 will remove an existing install of Rosetta when upgrading from 10.6. I guess we'll know for sure in a couple of weeks.
    It might depend on how Lion does it's install. I have read that SL did an "Archive and Instal" by default when simply choosing to upgrade, vice just an "upgrade" (I honestly don't know, I never upgraded, both my Macs are new enough to have come with SL pre-installed). If it does this then Rosetta would be lost. If it's just an upgrade, then I suppose it could still work....


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    Quote Originally Posted by baggss View Post
    It might depend on how Lion does it's install. I have read that SL did an "Archive and Instal" by default when simply choosing to upgrade, vice just an "upgrade" (I honestly don't know, I never upgraded, both my Macs are new enough to have come with SL pre-installed). If it does this then Rosetta would be lost. If it's just an upgrade, then I suppose it could still work....
    I guess I'm wondering why it wouldn't... unless it was deliberately disabled. As far as I know, there were no major changes to the core OS, so why would it suddenly not work? Does making the front end look like an iPad really break software that has been around through two other huge revisions?
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    I read that the license for Lion now allows for virtualization. I wonder if that means they'll allow that for Snow Leopard as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwa107 View Post
    I guess I'm wondering why it wouldn't...
    I'm under the impression Apple deliberately disabled or removed it. I don't get the impression this is just a GUI update to SL, I suspect there was a lot of tinkering under the hood and simply removing it or disabling it seems like the obvious answer. If the Lion instal does an A&I by default, you end up with a whole new system folder vice an upgraded system.


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    I for one don't expect Rosetta to be there. Especially if Apple is serious about moving as much of the code as possible to 64 bit mode. I don't even expect it as an optional install really.
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    I believe Apple are making a clean break and will no longer be using Rosetta nor will they will be replacing it.

    One of the refreshing things I like about OSX is they make a clean break of it sometimes and just say that really old software (i.e. in this case software that only runs on a PowerPC CPU) just wont work on the latest OS so you end up with a slick and fast OS that isn't full of 'backwards compatibility' like Microsoft's OS's...
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    Refreshing?
    If you're one of those people who are faced with having to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on replacement software, the word refreshing is not the first that comes to mind. I was unhappy with but tolerated being forced to purchase a new Apple system to move to Leopard. I'm exceedingly unhappy that several apps (Adobe's, Microsoft's in my case) which work on my Snow Leopard system apparently will be killed by Lion. I really want to upgrade to Lion, but for the time being I think I'll wait a bit and see if someone comes up with a means of providing a Rosetta-like solution. If not I'll probably ditch the MS apps altogether and move Illustrator to my Win 7 system.

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    Which MS apps do you have? Office 2004 will definitely not work in Lion, however, MS is expected to patch Office 2008 so that the installer will work without Rosetta. Office 2011 does not need Rosetta and is fully compatible with Lion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tadwick View Post
    I really want to upgrade to Lion, but for the time being I think I'll wait a bit and see if someone comes up with a means of providing a Rosetta-like solution. If not I'll probably ditch the MS apps altogether and move Illustrator to my Win 7 system.
    It's important to understand that Rosetta is based on technology that Apple didn't create and doesn't own. They license the technology from Transitive. It may simply be that Apple feels that enough time has passed for the PowerPC to Intel transition that they don't need to keep on providing Rosetta and paying to license it .

    The brains behind Apple's Rosetta: Transitive - CNET News

    It is highly unlikely that anyone will be providing anything like Rosetta for you to use. Though there are rumors that Intuit is negotiating to license Rosetta to make Quicken run under Lion. (I wouldn't hold my breath...)

    However, there *are* alternatives. For instance, you can partition your hard drive and put Snow Leopard (SN) on one partition and Lion on the other. You can do the same with an external hard drive too. However, dual-booting would mean that you couldn't use your Lion apps at the same time as your SN apps.

    You could use virtualization software (e.g. Parallels, Fusion, Crossover) to run SN simultaneously with Lion, but that would both create licensing issues, and it would be sufficiently complex that such a solution would only appeal to nerds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy B. Singer View Post
    You could use virtualization software (e.g. Parallels, Fusion, Crossover) to run SN simultaneously with Lion, but that would both create licensing issues, and it would be sufficiently complex that such a solution would only appeal to nerds.
    I had read that with Lion, Apple is allowing it to be run in a VM. I was under the impression that Snow Leopard and earlier can't be (or rather, aren't allowed to be) run in a VM. Are they relaxing that for Snow Leopard also when Lion drops? Or am I just mis-informed? And how would one run a PPC app under Crossover? AFAIK, Crossover is strictly for loading Windows programs under Linux/OS X.

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