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Can/should I upgrade from OS X 10.4.11 to 10.6.3?


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I recently bought an iPhone 3GS that, to my dismay, I cannot use. When I tried to sync it with iTunes I received an error message that read: "iPhone requires iTunes 10," or something to that effect. So, I downloaded iTunes 10.2.2, clicked install and received a delightful message that notified me that I needed to upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 or higher. At this point I am beyond frustrated and am hoping I don't have to change the OS on my MacBook. So, I have a few questions concerning my options:
1) Is there a version of iTunes 10 that will work for OS X 10.4.11?
2) Is there a way to "trick" iTunes 10.2.2 into thinking that I'm running OS X 10.5 that won't harm my system?
3) I downloaded OS X 10.6.3 from a certain site but I can't get it to install. The only program I have the option to install is BootThink_e 2.4.6.pkg, which gives me the following error message: 'Couldn't open "BootThink_e 2.4.6.pkg". This package type requires Mac OS X 10.5.' If I have to use OS X 10.6 can I use this download or will I have to cough up another $30 to apple for the official copy?
4) So my final question, can I even upgrade from OS X 10.4.11 straight to 10.6 or do I have to get 10.5 first?
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I recently bought an iPhone 3GS that, to my dismay, I cannot use. When I tried to sync it with iTunes I received an error message that read: "iPhone requires iTunes 10," or something to that effect. So, I downloaded iTunes 10.2.2, clicked install and received a delightful message that notified me that I needed to upgrade to Mac OS X 10.5 or higher. At this point I am beyond frustrated and am hoping I don't have to change the OS on my MacBook. So, I have a few questions concerning my options:
1) Is there a version of iTunes 10 that will work for OS X 10.4.11?
No.

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2) Is there a way to "trick" iTunes 10.2.2 into thinking that I'm running OS X 10.5 that won't harm my system?
No. iTunes 10 is reliant on technologies not present in 10.4

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3) I downloaded OS X 10.6.3 from a certain site but I can't get it to install. The only program I have the option to install is BootThink_e 2.4.6.pkg, which gives me the following error message: 'Couldn't open "BootThink_e 2.4.6.pkg". This package type requires Mac OS X 10.5.' If I have to use OS X 10.6 can I use this download or will I have to cough up another $30 to apple for the official copy?
We don't support piracy (or any other illegal activity) on these forums, can't help you on this one.

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4) So my final question, can I even upgrade from OS X 10.4.11 straight to 10.6 or do I have to get 10.5 first?
Yes, but Apple recommends that you purchase the Mac Box Set, which will also bring you up to date on iLife and iWork (it runs around $120 on Amazon). With that said, the $29 disc, intended to upgrade 10.5, will do a clean install for 10.4 users.

I would caution you to do this soon, as Apple has a tendency to discontinue older versions when they release a new one (10.7, Lion is due this summer), and it's been said that Lion will drop support for older Core Solo & Duo (as opposed to Core 2 Duo) machines.

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With that said, the $29 disc, intended to upgrade 10.5, will do a clean install for 10.4 users.

I would caution you to do this soon, as Apple has a tendency to discontinue older versions when they release a new one (10.7, Lion is due this summer), and it's been said that Lion will drop support for older Core Solo & Duo (as opposed to Core 2 Duo) machines.
By clean install I'm guessing you mean it will remove 10.4 and replace it with 10.6? Does that mean I will lose all my files? What is Core 2 Duo? I see that I have Core Duo, just wondering.
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By clean install I'm guessing you mean it will remove 10.4 and replace it with 10.6?
Yes. You'll need to erase your hard disk and do an install as if 10.4 didn't exist.

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Does that mean I will lose all my files?
Not necessarily. If you backup your system with something like SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner, you can easily retrieve all of your files following the install (you'll be prompted to "transfer your data from another Mac", which is actually a tool called the "Migration Assistant". It automates the process of putting back all of your data/docs/pictures/settings back the way they were.

It's a good idea to do a backup any time you make a major system change, regardless of the circumstances. And if you've never backed up before, you're flirting with disaster any way. So, this is just one of the hundreds of benefits you'll get in the upgrade.

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What is Core 2 Duo?
It is the 2nd generation of the Intel "Core" series CPUs. The earliest Intel Macs shipped with Core 1 series CPUs. Rumor has it that these will not be supported in 10.7, as it will be 64-bit only (Core 1 series CPUs do not support 64-bit).

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I see that I have Core Duo, just wondering.
Double-check that by going to Apple Menu => About this Mac. If it's a Core 2 Duo, it should say so. The Core 2 Duos started to appear in early 2007.

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So this is something I will need an external hard drive for, correct? Is there a way to only copy my files and docs? My laptop has been running slow as of late and I'm not sure if that's from a virus or the programs that I've downloaded. So I'm wondering if this transfer could help with that.
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So this is something I will need an external hard drive for, correct?
Yes, but you have one of those for backups already, right? If not, you're playing with fire. Hard drives are the most common failure point in modern computers.

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Is there a way to only copy my files and docs? My laptop has been running slow as of late and I'm not sure if that's from a virus or the programs that I've downloaded. So I'm wondering if this transfer could help with that.
Just do a full backup. Then, when you are prompted to "transfer data from another Mac" during the install process, connect the external hard drive and opt to "restore from another volume on this Mac". Then you can incrementally select each component that you want to bring over (and yes, you can omit applications).

That's probably a good idea anyway, because if you've been using the machine for a long time and haven't kept up with updates to programs, or haven't been really good about purging unused apps, you could potentially port over some apps that are not compatible.

The other nice thing about doing a full backup with something like SuperDuper! is that you can boot from your backup. So, let's say that something goes horribly wrong during the install - you can always just shut down, turn on and hold the Option key and then choose to boot up from the external.

Another note - if you use the iLife suite (iPhoto, Garageband, iWeb, iMovie, etc.), the version you are using may be very outdated. So, it's a good idea to go with "The Mac Box Set", so you can get completely up-to-date.

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Yes. You'll need to erase your hard disk and do an install as if 10.4 didn't exist.
No you don't need to do that! Well, I didn't when I upgarded my Mini from Tiger to Snow Leopard.
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No you don't need to do that! Well, I didn't when I upgarded my Mini from Tiger to Snow Leopard.
so you didn't have to copy the files from your hard drive to an external? What did you do, and how?
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1st, Thank you for the link to CCC. I have a external hard drive that on occasion, I transfered import files to. This software seems to make it effortless to just back it all up. It is running now.

2nd, I joined and came here looking for this exact same info. My wife bought me a new ipod for Christmas and I had to use it through my work computer because I could not install iTunes 10.

So just for piece of mind I would like to ask a question or two.

here is the 1st page from profiler;


Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac4,1
Processor Name: Intel Core Duo
Processor Speed: 2 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per processor): 2 MB
Memory: 1 GB
Bus Speed: 667 MHz
Boot ROM Version: IM41.0055.B08
SMC Version: 1.1f5
Serial Number: W860524PU2S

and I know I have one empty slot for RAM and one w/ 1 gig.

So will I need to buy more RAM to run Snow leopard?
If so, can someone give the exact details on what I should be buying?

My external drive is one of those WD 1tb "My Book" from a couple of years ago. If I understand the above conversation correctly, once the CCC is through running, I can then purchase a $29 disc that will install Snow Leopard straight from 10.4.11? Can someone provide a link to this disc? I know it seems like I should be able to find it myself, but I just know I will look and get confused as to whether it is the right thing or not.

A new home computer is just not in my budget right now with the looming of the wife wanting an iPad.

Thank you very much,
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so you didn't have to copy the files from your hard drive to an external?
Well, I did and I didn't. Just in case there were problems, I cloned my Mac to an external drive. Then I installed SL over Tiger on that external drive. That way if there were major problems, I still had a working computer.

The install over Tiger went fine, all my settings and files were still there. After palying around with the new installation for a couple of days, updating some apps and printer drivers; etc, I then cloned it back to the Mac.
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Just the thread i was looking for after having (apparently foolishly) accepted a decent deal to upgrade to an iPhone 4.

I run this:

Machine Name: iMac
Machine Model: PowerMac4,5
CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs: 1
CPU Speed: 800 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
Memory: 512 MB
Bus Speed: 100 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.4.5f3
Serial Number: QT24213NN0S

...and wonder if there is any hope for me upgrading from OSx10.4.11 or whether I am doomed to a new mac or pc?

Not fussed about the latest model...just something that will efficiently run the household iphone, ipods and browse the internet efficiently.

In essence then, can I use the $29 upgrade disk from Apple to achieve my needs, or do i need to purchase the full version of 10.6?

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Unfortunately, you can't upgrade to 10.6 at all, since it's Intel only. You'd be limited to 10.5, but you'll need a retail version, and that won't come cheap. Your machine has had a good long run, I'd suggest upgrading to an Intel model. Upgrading that machine would be like fixing a dent on an '82 Chevette.

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And even if you get Leopard the performance will be pretty slow after you find a program to enable installation as Leopard by default only installs on +867MHz processors. And memory is way to low for OS X.

Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!
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Is something wrong with "My" post in this thread or did it just get over looked?

thank you,
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So will I need to buy more RAM to run Snow leopard?
Yes, I would recommend 2GB for Snow Leopard to run comfortably. 1GB is the minimum - generally it's a good idea to have some wiggle room. This is what you need:

OWC 5300DDR2S1GB 1.0GB PC-5300 DDR2 667MHz SO-DIMM... in stock at OWC

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My external drive is one of those WD 1tb "My Book" from a couple of years ago. If I understand the above conversation correctly, once the CCC is through running, I can then purchase a $29 disc that will install Snow Leopard straight from 10.4.11? Can someone provide a link to this disc? I know it seems like I should be able to find it myself, but I just know I will look and get confused as to whether it is the right thing or not.

A new home computer is just not in my budget right now with the looming of the wife wanting an iPad.

Thank you very much,
Jody
Yes, you can use the $29 upgrade disc, however, I would strongly recommend going with The Mac Box Set. The Box Set comes with the latest iLife (iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband, iWeb, etc) and iWork (Pages, Keynote, Numbers) suites, so it brings you fully up-to-date. A direct upgrade from 10.4 is fully supported, but it is not using the $29 disc (although I understand from one of the posters that it is technically possible).

Personally, I would do a clean install either way. It gives you the chance to wipe out all of the old cruft and gives you a chance to rid yourself of any incompatible programs, since 10.4 is quite old now.

The Mac Box Set is available here:

Amazon.com: Mac Box Set 10.6.3: Software

The Snow Leopard Upgrade is available here:

Amazon.com: Mac OS X version 10.6.3 Snow Leopard: Software

And again, be aware that Apple specifically requires you to use the Mac Box Set if you're upgrading from 10.4. So, if you go the $29 route, you are breaking with their licensing terms and should not expect support.

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