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Hello Everyone,

Well I am another newbie wanting to replace my PC for an Macbook Pro for College !
Now I may sound dumb as I am TOTALLY new to mac, but these are the questions I have :

1. Can you partition your Mac Hard Drive like Windows say now I have 4 partitions C:, D:, E:, F: I want to maintain them this way :

◙ Mac OS on C:
◙ All Softwares I buy will be installed on D: like say I will require to purchase Matlab and a few toolboxes, Photoshop CS5, Office 2008 etc. Well I even don't know how to install and uninstall software in Mac.
◙ E: and F: should just be there for storing data.

2. I have seen all the videos provided by Apple but I think thats not enough, I you can point me to some good sites.

3. Also provide your recommendations on which software I must buy as mandatory to get my work done. I have already planned to buy Flox and CleanMyMac.
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Well if you really want inside information you should be looking at the "missing manual" series of books. And in particular the snow leopard one.

Also these are a few Apple links you should look into:

Apple - Mac OS X - Windows Compatibility - How Mac works with PCs
Apple - Support - Boot Camp
Apple - Mac OS X - What is Mac OS X - Time Machine
Apple - Support - Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard Time Machine
Apple - Mac OS X Snow Leopard - Refining the user experience

So to answer your questions.

1. Yes you can but you don't have to. The system structure in OS X is different to windows. But you can partition your Hard drive as many times as you want to. Use the "Disk Utility" Application for all partitioning you need to do apart from your Windows partition, use "bootcamp for creating and removing that partition".

2. I recommend the book I said at the top of my post. It is better then most if not all of the how to mac sites I've seen. It's well worth getting. I an half tempted to get it myself. As it is great for everyone. Pros and new to mac pepole alike.

3. Yes I can provide you with some links to some useful OS X software. You can just download the ones you feel are necessary to you. I'm sure there is a lot more useful OS X software out there. I just pointed out a small selection of ones I know a lot of people use all the time. And most if not all of this list is free software

Onyx
Titanium Software
A good maintainance tool for OS X. It does the same job as CleanMyMac. And it is a free application. I have used both and prefer Onyx. But both do the job.

Perian
Perian - The swiss-army knife of QuickTime components
Allows you to play many different video formats in OS X

Mactracker
Mactracker
Database of every Mac product ever released with system specs. And often updated. Very useful information there

VLC
VLC media player - Open Source Multimedia Framework and Player
Nice quicktime alternative. I hardly ever use it but some others swear by it.

Aduim
Adium - Download
Very nice multichat client

Appzapper
AppZapper - The uninstaller Apple forgot.
Cleanapp
Synium
Both of these are excellent application uninstallers. Helps you rid yourself of the little hard to find files assoicated with applications. I prefer Appzapper. But some prefer Cleanapp. Both do roughly the same job though.

Disk inventory
Disk Inventory X
Nice graphical representation of the data on your hard drive. Nice easy way to see what is hogging space on your hard drive.

Firefox
Firefox web browser | Faster, more secure, & customizable | Mozilla Europe
Opera
Opera browser | Faster & safer internet | Free download
2 internet browsers. A 3rd one "Safari" comes with OS X. And having 3 ineternet browsers is always nice to have on hand.

istart pro
iStat Pro, a Dashboard Widget by iSlayer
This is a dashbord widget. and according to the website "iStat Pro is a highly configurable widget that lets you monitor every aspect of your Mac, including CPU, memory, disks, network, battery, temperatures, fans, load & uptime and processes."
So it's very ncie to have.

The Unarchiver
The Unarchiver
Decompresses copressed file formats liek .zip and .sit and .rar and is way better then the adobe stuffit expander. This is a nice app.

UnrarX
UnRarX - Mac OS X RAR Extraction Utility
With "The Unarchiver" this app would seem pointless to get. But it can do one thing "The Unarchiver can not". It can decompress passworded .rar archives. I need that functionality so I have the app. But it's your choice. Well it is a free app "UnrarX" so it's only a few MB to have it.

And lastly here are a few points you need to consider.
Installing software on OS X (The Mac's operationg system) is just clicking of the installer for the application and then it takes you through a simple installation process. And 99% of software for OS X works like this. It's pretty easy really.

Yes you can use windows as well as OS X on your Macbook Pro you want to buy. But remember you buy the Adobe CS5 products for OS X. As in get the Mac versions fo them. Sure you can use the windows versions of them on windows on your Mac if you wan to. But the whole point of getting a Mac is for it's lovely oeprating system. And best get the version that allows to stay in the Mac operating system.

I would think about Office 2008 (for Mac) right away and not jist blindly do it. For 2 reasons.
1. Apple has a cheaper alternative called "iwork".
http://www.apple.com/iwork/
And this is a suite of 3 applications.
Pages which is similar to Word.
Numbers which is similar to excel
Keynote which is similar to powerpoint.
Personally I much prefer the Apple iwork to Office 2008. But others prefer Office 2008. It's a personal prefrence I guess. But if you choose Office 2008 just remember to get the Mac-OS X version and not windows vesion.

2. Office 2011 is in development. So if you really need Office now and iwork is not your thing the get Office 2008 now. But if you can wait then Office 2011 might be better. Mind you I think Office 2011 is still in early development so it'll be a while before release i think.
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You are great the8thark I will be waiting for Office 2011 I have seen some preview videos of it on YouTube and I have seen that Office 2008 doesn't look as good as on my Windows
Thanks, I will tell you and for now I will study the links and books you mentioned

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VLC
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Nice quicktime alternative. I hardly ever use it but some others swear by it.
VLC has gotten exceptionally buggy lately and I really hate using it. However, the team is developing a new front-end for VLC designed for OS X called Lunettes that, while currently still a little lacking in some features, is proving for me to be much more stable. When fully developed, this will likely be the player of choice. I highly recommend checking it out.

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The Unarchiver
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Decompresses copressed file formats liek .zip and .sit and .rar and is way better then the adobe stuffit expander. This is a nice app.

UnrarX
UnRarX - Mac OS X RAR Extraction Utility
With "The Unarchiver" this app would seem pointless to get. But it can do one thing "The Unarchiver can not". It can decompress passworded .rar archives. I need that functionality so I have the app. But it's your choice. Well it is a free app "UnrarX" so it's only a few MB to have it.
Uh... I use The Unarchiver and when it tries to decompress a passworded .rar file, it prompts me for the password, which I provide and then it happily goes on to decompress it.


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Very similar to Macupdate. The OS X part of version tracker that is. But best check both sites. because sometimes good stuff os on noe and not the other.
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I know I am being silly, can you please tell me that can I relocate the Applications Folder to a partition of my choice in the main Mac hard disk, say I make four partitions one named Macintosh HD , one Programs, one Data, one Stuff ( Just for naming purpose ) and I wanna copy all contents of the Applications folder to Programs partition. Is that possible?

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I know I am being silly, can you please tell me that can I relocate the Applications Folder to a partition of my choice in the main Mac hard disk, say I make four partitions one named Macintosh HD , one Programs, one Data, one Stuff ( Just for naming purpose ) and I wanna copy all contents of the Applications folder to Programs partition. Is that possible?
Most apps will work fine from wherever you put them. Some, many of Apple's apps in particular, will NOT work properly outside of /Applications. Some apps that work in conjunction with other apps also must be in /Applications. Why would you want a special partition just for applications? I can't even begin to think of a practical reason to do that.


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Most apps will work fine from wherever you put them. Some, many of Apple's apps in particular, will NOT work properly outside of /Applications. Some apps that work in conjunction with other apps also must be in /Applications. Why would you want a special partition just for applications? I can't even begin to think of a practical reason to do that.
You won't naturally understand unless you are an avid Windows user I know it's different on Mac but I got my answer it's Possible. Let the default apps be in their folder natively I make a Partition for my CS5 suite and Matlab gotcha that is why I am planning to make 4 different partitions and that's also my primary reason for getting myself a Mac.

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You won't naturally understand unless you are an avid Windows user I know it's different on Mac but I got my answer it's Possible. Let the default apps be in their folder natively I make a Partition for my CS5 suite and Matlab gotcha that is why I am planning to make 4 different partitions and that's also my primary reason for getting myself a Mac.
Don't be so presumptuous. I used to be an avid Windows user, built my own PCs, and was active in the troubleshooting community for years, and only switched to OS X a few years ago. I see no practical reason to do it in Windows or OS X. None, zero, nada. But if it floats your boat, have at it.


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You won't naturally understand unless you are an avid Windows user I know it's different on Mac but I got my answer it's Possible. Let the default apps be in their folder natively I make a Partition for my CS5 suite and Matlab gotcha that is why I am planning to make 4 different partitions and that's also my primary reason for getting myself a Mac.
Which MBP are you looking at? If you are partitioning because you're concerned about performance with all those apps, you can put your fears aside. 4gb RAM, adequate free space on your HDD (10% or 15% free), and ANY of the processors available for the MBPs will more than suffice.
I'm really trying to wrap my brain around the "4 partitions" thing.
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Most apps will work fine from wherever you put them. Some, many of Apple's apps in particular, will NOT work properly outside of /Applications.
He does have a good point there. A while back I tried to use Adobe CS4 outside of the applications folder. And it just didn't work. But there is a solution. On OS X you can make aliases of Applications and put them wherever you want, to access the application.

An OS X alias is similar to a Windows shortcut. Except you can put the Alias wherever you want. And it's perfect for you cause you can use the Alias/shurtcut wherever you want when the Application itself really shouldn't be moved from the Aplications folder.

You can use most Apps in other partitions just fine but a few are picky and like to be in the Applications folder. You'll find out soon enough as you use OS X which are the few picky Applications. And for those just use Alises.

And for you as you are new to OS X I would really invest in an external hard drive. They are pretty cheap these days. And learn up on how to use that drive with Time Machine to back up your data. Why I say this is say you screw something up cause you're only new to OS X, you'll know there is no permament damage because you have all of your data backed up. And this backed up data can easily be retrieved. It's all about peace of mind for the user, which is you in this case.
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Which MBP are you looking at? If you are partitioning because you're concerned about performance with all those apps, you can put your fears aside. 4gb RAM, adequate free space on your HDD (10% or 15% free), and ANY of the processors available for the MBPs will more than suffice.
I'm really trying to wrap my brain around the "4 partitions" thing.
Not trying to bust your B@77$.

Hackers sp3ak eh !!! I am looking at the costliest MBP with 8 gigs of ram and core i7 2.66 ghz proccy. Getting great discounts as a student been to Apple Store today

actuall $ partitions is not for me for some family abd university dealings but it sails my boat

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He does have a good point there. A while back I tried to use Adobe CS4 outside of the applications folder. And it just didn't work. But there is a solution. On OS X you can make aliases of Applications and put them wherever you want, to access the application.

An OS X alias is similar to a Windows shortcut. Except you can put the Alias wherever you want. And it's perfect for you cause you can use the Alias/shurtcut wherever you want when the Application itself really shouldn't be moved from the Aplications folder.

You can use most Apps in other partitions just fine but a few are picky and like to be in the Applications folder. You'll find out soon enough as you use OS X which are the few picky Applications. And for those just use Alises.

And for you as you are new to OS X I would really invest in an external hard drive. They are pretty cheap these days. And learn up on how to use that drive with Time Machine to back up your data. Why I say this is say you screw something up cause you're only new to OS X, you'll know there is no permament damage because you have all of your data backed up. And this backed up data can easily be retrieved. It's all about peace of mind for the user, which is you in this case.
You got me the8thark. And assume Adobe CS% design premium full suite ( it's mandatory for college ) and add to it Matlab and 12 toolboxes of matlab. yeah I have thought about a pre mac formatted External HD. So Photoshop needs to stay in apps folder. let us see what matlab and the rest needs

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So as far as I could get Mac manages all applications in it's application folder and can sail smooth. So 2 partitions should suffice. But I was wondering ( correct me if wrong ) is it absolutely necessary to keep my music and photos in the Apple made folders ( Home Folders ) of the OS drive? ( alias My Document) Can I just delete them and keep them in the second partition? I mean if I do that will it be viewable to iPhoto and the like? Clear my ideas, all.

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