Terminal on OS 9.1

eddyq · eddyq #1 (**permalink**)

04-16-2010, 10:06 PM

I have an iMac with OS 9.1. I plan to use it for debugging via FireWire using the program fwkpfv as suggested on the darwin list (see "man fwkpfv"). I'm not familiar with OS 9 and I can't see how to bring up the Terminal window. Does anyone know how to do that?

lifeisabeach · lifeisabeach #2 (**permalink**)

04-16-2010, 11:39 PM

OS 9 doesn't have a terminal app or any command line interface, from what I know.

eddyq · eddyq #3 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 04:00 PM

Is there a Tiger that will run on a 2001 iMac? (it doesn't have a DVD drive I don't think).

toMACsh · toMACsh #4 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 05:22 PM

What are the specs on it?
processor
RAM
size of hard drive

hughvane · hughvane #5 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 05:43 PM

The two 2001 iMacs had processors ranging from 400 - 600, possibly 700 (rare nowadays); and original drive sizes from 10 - 60 Gb. [source: Mactracker]

Tiger did appear on CDs, but finding - and affording - them is the major issue. You could try an external firewire drive to boot the iMac using a Tiger dvd (hard to locate). You could also boot your iMac with another Mac/Tiger as startup, using Target mode.

eddyq · eddyq #6 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 08:04 PM

It says:
Version: Mac OS 9.1, Mac OS ROM 7.3.1
Built-in Memory: 64MB
Virtual Memory: 65MB used on Macintosh HD
Largest Unused Block: 36.1 MB
Mac OS 30MB with the bar all red (I think this is the HD?) ... not very big.

Can you please tell me more about Target mode ... do I setup my MacBook Pro that way? Do you have a reference on how to do that with Firewire?

eddyq · eddyq #7 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 08:05 PM

I just checked the Macintosh HD icon, it says I have 8.47 GB available. I don't know how to tell the total size of the HD.

hughvane · hughvane #8 (**permalink**)

04-17-2010, 09:31 PM

I think we're narrowing down the specs of your iMac. I believe it's the early 2001 model, and the ROM version suggests to me that you will need to update the firmware to 7.5.1. You can do so with MacTracker http://mactracker.ca/ where a link is provided at the base of the page pertaining to that model of iMac.

That HD icon Info should show you the HD's capacity, as well as how much space is still available.

Re firewire: How to use and troubleshoot FireWire target disk mode [read especially the 'To use FireWire target disk mode' part]; also lots of references to it on Mac-Forums. Basically, plug in the firewire cable to both Macs, your MBP is the 'host', the iMac is the 'target'. [If it doesn't work, some suggest trying things the other way, ie. make the MBP the target.]

eddyq · eddyq #9 (**permalink**)

04-18-2010, 11:34 AM

Looking at mactracker.ca, it appears as though the downloads are only for OSX v10. Am I missing something?

hughvane · hughvane #10 (**permalink**)

04-18-2010, 04:12 PM

As I see it, you'll need to use the iMac itself to download the update from the Mactracker link. That iMac may have browser software already installed, in which case you can use it, but you may be limited to dialup, depending on what modem the iMac has inside. You could always try the iMac's ethernet I guess.

You other option is to download the ROM update to your MBP, and then transfer it to the iMac with a flash drive or similar.

As I understand it, you will need that ROM firmware update in order to ensure firewire compatibility between your two Macs.

Additional Info - have been doing some digging.
http://www.apple.com/support/imac/g3/
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2561

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hughvane #5 (permalink)
Member Since: May 18, 2008 Location: Banks Peninsula, New Zealand Posts: 3,244 Mac Specs: MacMini 2.4, 4 Gb, OS 10.6.8; MacBook 2.4, 2 Gb, OS 10.5.8; G4 eMac 1.25, 2 Gb, OS 10.4.11	04-17-2010, 05:43 PM The two 2001 iMacs had processors ranging from 400 - 600, possibly 700 (rare nowadays); and original drive sizes from 10 - 60 Gb. [source: Mactracker] Tiger did appear on CDs, but finding - and affording - them is the major issue. You could try an external firewire drive to boot the iMac using a Tiger dvd (hard to locate). You could also boot your iMac with another Mac/Tiger as startup, using Target mode. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Please post your Mac (or other) specs and MacOS version in your post, your profile or your signature. It helps us to help you better. I'm leaving now to go and find myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.
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hughvane #8 (permalink)
Member Since: May 18, 2008 Location: Banks Peninsula, New Zealand Posts: 3,244 Mac Specs: MacMini 2.4, 4 Gb, OS 10.6.8; MacBook 2.4, 2 Gb, OS 10.5.8; G4 eMac 1.25, 2 Gb, OS 10.4.11	04-17-2010, 09:31 PM I think we're narrowing down the specs of your iMac. I believe it's the early 2001 model, and the ROM version suggests to me that you will need to update the firmware to 7.5.1. You can do so with MacTracker http://mactracker.ca/ where a link is provided at the base of the page pertaining to that model of iMac. That HD icon Info should show you the HD's capacity, as well as how much space is still available. Re firewire: How to use and troubleshoot FireWire target disk mode [read especially the 'To use FireWire target disk mode' part]; also lots of references to it on Mac-Forums. Basically, plug in the firewire cable to both Macs, your MBP is the 'host', the iMac is the 'target'. [If it doesn't work, some suggest trying things the other way, ie. make the MBP the target.] ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Please post your Mac (or other) specs and MacOS version in your post, your profile or your signature. It helps us to help you better. I'm leaving now to go and find myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait.
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Member Since: May 18, 2008 Location: Banks Peninsula, New Zealand Posts: 3,244 Mac Specs: MacMini 2.4, 4 Gb, OS 10.6.8; MacBook 2.4, 2 Gb, OS 10.5.8; G4 eMac 1.25, 2 Gb, OS 10.4.11	04-18-2010, 04:12 PM As I see it, you'll need to use the iMac itself to download the update from the Mactracker link. That iMac may have browser software already installed, in which case you can use it, but you may be limited to dialup, depending on what modem the iMac has inside. You could always try the iMac's ethernet I guess. You other option is to download the ROM update to your MBP, and then transfer it to the iMac with a flash drive or similar. As I understand it, you will need that ROM firmware update in order to ensure firewire compatibility between your two Macs. Additional Info - have been doing some digging. http://www.apple.com/support/imac/g3/ http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2561 ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Please post your Mac (or other) specs and MacOS version in your post, your profile or your signature. It helps us to help you better. I'm leaving now to go and find myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait. Last edited by hughvane; 04-18-2010 at 04:47 PM. Reason: Added Info
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eddyq #1 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 30	04-16-2010, 10:06 PM I have an iMac with OS 9.1. I plan to use it for debugging via FireWire using the program fwkpfv as suggested on the darwin list (see "man fwkpfv"). I'm not familiar with OS 9 and I can't see how to bring up the Terminal window. Does anyone know how to do that?
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toMACsh #4 (permalink)
Member Since: Jul 30, 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,862 Mac Specs: Mac Mini Core 2 Duo	04-17-2010, 05:22 PM What are the specs on it? processor RAM size of hard drive
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eddyq #6 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 30	04-17-2010, 08:04 PM It says: Version: Mac OS 9.1, Mac OS ROM 7.3.1 Built-in Memory: 64MB Virtual Memory: 65MB used on Macintosh HD Largest Unused Block: 36.1 MB Mac OS 30MB with the bar all red (I think this is the HD?) ... not very big. Can you please tell me more about Target mode ... do I setup my MacBook Pro that way? Do you have a reference on how to do that with Firewire?
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eddyq #7 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 30	04-17-2010, 08:05 PM I just checked the Macintosh HD icon, it says I have 8.47 GB available. I don't know how to tell the total size of the HD.
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eddyq #9 (permalink)
Member Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 30	04-18-2010, 11:34 AM Looking at mactracker.ca, it appears as though the downloads are only for OSX v10. Am I missing something?
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