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    Exclamation Onyx (need advice)
    I've downloaded Onyx and am now wondering what everybody recommends as far as running this software.

    I'm just not sure which things to run...

    Parameters? (what exactly?)
    Maintenance? Optimize?
    Cleaning?

    Actually I ran some of the stuff on my PowerBook G4 and got some good results with Safari...trouble iis I didn't write down exactly what I did so I can't duplicate the results on my G5.

    Any advice would be appreciated.

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    MacHeadCase
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    Parameters are kinda like the program's prefs. It registers as it launches or upon quitting it, the changes you have entered the last time you used it.

    Maintenance is for the maintenance tasks: a Unix system like Mac OS X is meant to be ON 24 hours a day, 7 says a week. Not asleep, ON. Unix comes from the Mainframe world where computers never shut down.

    In the background every night around 3:30 a.m. it will self maintain itself: this is known as a daily task. Once a week it will perform upon itself a weekly task. Once a month it will run on itself a monthly task.

    Now for all sorts of reasons, it isn't always possible for us Mac users to leave the computer on all day, all week, all year. Some of those reasons could be: consuming wasted electricity, being afraid of power outages which mess up the computer, overheating like the G5s would do, etc.

    I have an iMac G5 and I can assure you, after being used to an iMac G4, this thing gets a little hot. So these programs take over the maintenance tasks that were meant to be run but never could because the Mac was shut down or asleep when you run them manually.

    Caches. Well these are meant to help the computer access certain files, webpages, etc. faster because they are partially stored in those cache folders. The problem with cache is, if it isn't cleaned out once in a while, the folders grow and grow (take a lot of disk space) and can corrupt which gives the computer or the application with the faulty cache some very weird behaviour indeed. So these need to be cleaned out once ina while.

    Optimizing. Ever notice when you install an app, the last cycle it goes into upon the install is Optimizing System? My guess on this is that Mac OS X, upon usage, can get scattered and needs once in a while to be optimized. Would this task be done if it were ON 24 hours a day? Most probably.

    Hope this helps.

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    One would think that if there are maintenance tasks that need to be run regularly, Apple would make provisions in the code so that:

    1. every 24 hours of run time, the daily maintenance tasks would run
    2. every 168 hours of run time, the weekly maintenance tasks would run
    3. every 720 hours of run time, the monthly maintenance tasks would run.

    If any of these tasks are resource-intensive, then at the very least a dialog box should come up asking if the maintenance can begin.

    The same is true for the caches ... I know in WinXP, programs that use a cache usually set an upper limit for the cache size, and work on a first in, first out system to erase older items in the cache automatically.

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    What would be interesting is if Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard would have something that would empty caches upon quitting the app and logging out of your user account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacHeadCase View Post
    Parameters are kinda like the program's prefs. It registers as it launches or upon quitting it, the changes you have entered the last time you used it.

    Maintenance is for the maintenance tasks: a Unix system like Mac OS X is meant to be ON 24 hours a day, 7 says a week. Not asleep, ON. Unix comes from the Mainframe world where computers never shut down.

    In the background every night around 3:30 a.m. it will self maintain itself: this is known as a daily task. Once a week it will perform upon itself a weekly task. Once a month it will run on itself a monthly task.

    Now for all sorts of reasons, it isn't always possible for us Mac users to leave the computer on all day, all week, all year. Some of those reasons could be: consuming wasted electricity, being afraid of power outages which mess up the computer, overheating like the G5s would do, etc.

    I have an iMac G5 and I can assure you, after being used to an iMac G4, this thing gets a little hot. So these programs take over the maintenance tasks that were meant to be run but never could because the Mac was shut down or asleep when you run them manually.

    Caches. Well these are meant to help the computer access certain files, webpages, etc. faster because they are partially stored in those cache folders. The problem with cache is, if it isn't cleaned out once in a while, the folders grow and grow (take a lot of disk space) and can corrupt which gives the computer or the application with the faulty cache some very weird behaviour indeed. So these need to be cleaned out once ina while.

    Optimizing. Ever notice when you install an app, the last cycle it goes into upon the install is Optimizing System? My guess on this is that Mac OS X, upon usage, can get scattered and needs once in a while to be optimized. Would this task be done if it were ON 24 hours a day? Most probably.

    Hope this helps.
    Yeah that helps understanding some.

    So what things do you run on a regular basis with Onyx? I'm wondering if I ran one thing on my PB and not on my G5 to get different results in certain situations with Safari.

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    Yo, CB!!!

    For one thing, I run the maintenance tasks.

    Every morning when I start the iMac up before I do anything else, I run the Daily maintenance task.

    I picked Saturday for the Weekly task and run the Daily maintenance task as well.

    And every fourth Saturday I run the Monthly, Weekly and Daily maintenance tasks.

    When I feel something is slowing down or reacting differently from usual, I clean out the caches.

    Another very nice program you should have in case of BIG emergencies is Alsoft's DiskWarrior. You might find it a bit pricey but this program has bailed me out of situations that even cleaning out caches and other stuff couldn't fix. It sure beats re-installing everything!

    One example. Once while I was using the iMac G5, the power went down and the outage lasted a good 5 or 6 hours, When the electricity came back on, the iMac wouldn't get past the grey screen with the spinning thingamajig. I popped in my DiskWarrior CD and it repaired the directory and it's been doing fine ever since.

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    Hey MHC...thanks. I'm sorry I'm so slow on this stuff but can you point me in the right direction?

    Under "maintenance" there are Permissions, Scripts, Reset and Optimize. Are you saying you do something with all of those (except maybe reset) and if so what exactly? Just run "execute"?

    Sorry...dummy in Seattle!


    PS - DiskWarrior -- $99 ....

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    Too bad the server move for MainMenu isn't completed yet. Although the developer does promise it to be in the next few hours. It's so much easier to use than OnyX.

    Ok for OnyX, you'll want to look at the Cleaning tab*. In there you will find five other tabs: Internet, Caches, Logs, Trash and Misc.

    Look in there. There are tips at the bottom of that window as to what exactly some of those commands will do so read them carefully.

    Personally I would click on Execute for the first four items in the Internet. All the caches choices. Logs would be 1, 3 and 4. Trash I wouldn't use as I don't have any trouble with emptying the trash. And in the Misc, I wouldn't choose Recent Items as I have set the Finder's Recent Items to OFF: I see no use for that, myself, with my kind of computer usage. Before executing the delete Items in Mail Downloads I would make sure I have made a copy on my Mac of things I want to keep, if any. I would execute item no. 3 though (Items in the Saved Searches folder as I don't save any. Hah!

    Hope this helps.


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    * There seems to be duplicates of some of these tasks under the Automation tab, btw... There are others though that aren't in the Cleaning tab so you would have to check in there too if you want.

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    Under normal usage, you wouldn't want caches cleaned out upon every logout- since they help with speed. However, when the caches get large and/or corrupted, they need to be cleaned up. As for optimizing, I believe that is precache bindings, which helps link apps to shared libraries to speed up app launching and running (mainly launching).

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    Hmmm...I'm frustrated!

    Here is the deal. I watch these funny videos on this website and I've been having a difficult time gettig them to play., I talked to the guys Webmaster and he told me "it's something in your settings"...

    So I ran a lot of the routines in Onyx and on my PB now the videos load pretty quickly and play within a matter of 10 seconds or so.

    However on my G5 I can't get them to play -- somethimes they do but it takes up to 3-5 minutes. I ran the same Onyx scripts on my G5 but no soap.

    Now on my PB when I go to play the videos the little screen where they play turns white and then they play. On my G5 the little screens stays black and there is a huge delay or they won't play at all.

    Here is the link to the site but WARNING: this guy uses really foul language so if you're offened don't watch the vids. The Kid From Brooklyn.

    Anyway, any suggestions?

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    Wow! stumbled across this thread when trying to figure out how to clean out my HD, and MainMenu works awesome! it cleared out 80gb of space (holy crap) Thank you again for your wonderful help MHC!
    She figured out that the only way to keep from being frozen was to stay in motion,
    and long ago converted most of her flesh into liquid.
    Now when she smells danger, she spills herself all over, like gasoline, and lights it.

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    Glad you liked MainMenu, ambivalent!

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    How does "MainMenu" differ from Onyx?

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    MacHeadCase
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    It's about the same really. It has slightly less features than OnyX does but I find it very very handy, just sitting in the menubar when I launch it.

    I use it for the maintenance and cleaning tasks and some other things, when needed, as well.

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    BTW, MHC I used Onyx and I think I "optimized" and now my problem outlined above is fixed.

    Onyx --->

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