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iPod - So Apple are playing games. Video out locked on IPT.


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I just discovered this.

You can't play video out from an Ipod touch unless you buy a $50 cable from Apple. There's no advantage to it - I use a standard one I had laying around for my 80gb Ipod vid. Works fine.

But no, Apple don't like that. For $50 I get the same functionality, but THEY get the $50.

Isn't there another company we see mentioned here a lot that does the same kind of thing? Thanks Steve. I like your stuff but I'm not getting sucked into that kind of game. Back to Windows for me.
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I just discovered this.

You can't play video out from an Ipod touch unless you buy a $50 cable from Apple. There's no advantage to it - I use a standard one I had laying around for my 80gb Ipod vid. Works fine.

But no, Apple don't like that. For $50 I get the same functionality, but THEY get the $50.
I seem to remember that Apple had to change the video out connector for the new iPods - either that or keep the weird video out of the headphone jack. Whatever it was, they would affect a group of users whichever way they did it.

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If you think an issue with your iPod is worth switching back to Windows for then maybe you're better off there.

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I seem to remember that Apple had to change the video out connector for the new iPods - either that or keep the weird video out of the headphone jack. Whatever it was, they would affect a group of users whichever way they did it.



If you think an issue with your iPod is worth switching back to Windows for then maybe you're better off there.
I'm not sure what was wrong with the wierd video out of the headphone jack in the first place. Keeping that wouldn't have affected anybody.

The problem for me is that they have added the chip specifically to prevent anybody from using any cable other than their own. Which costs $50. For a cable.

I'm definitely in a minority here - reaction so far has been pretty much 'What's $50? Stop whining'.

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I'm not sure what was wrong with the wierd video out of the headphone jack in the first place. Keeping that wouldn't have affected anybody.

The problem for me is that they have added the chip specifically to prevent anybody from using any cable other than their own. Which costs $50. For a cable.

I'm definitely in a minority here - reaction so far has been pretty much 'What's $50? Stop whining'.

Funny stuff.
This is a phone and they wanted the headphone jack to have mic input also. Video would have been too much.

And it's $50 for a cable AND power adapter. My reaction is that I don't care because I don't use video out. If I did, I would be upset.

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This is a phone and they wanted the headphone jack to have mic input also. Video would have been too much.

And it's $50 for a cable AND power adapter. My reaction is that I don't care because I don't use video out. If I did, I would be upset.
That makes a bit more sense. I have to say, when I first posted the thread I didn't realise that the vid out was now from the dock port, instead of the headphone port.

It still leaves the doubt about putting a proprietary chip in to snuffle out competition though. That seems to serve no purpose other than to allow jacking up of price.

[edit] Just a small point - they have done the same on the Touch and the Ipod classic, which aren't phones. that's not to say your point isn't good though.
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I'm not sure what was wrong with the wierd video out of the headphone jack in the first place. Keeping that wouldn't have affected anybody.
Yes, it would. If they'd have kept it then the other method would be disabled, and vice versa. You are unlucky enough to be among those who are affected.

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The problem for me is that they have added the chip specifically to prevent anybody from using any cable other than their own. Which costs $50. For a cable.
No, they've added the chip to make it work - the old cable wouldn't work.

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Technology, eh? I have a room full of perfectly serviceable computer parts that are completely useless.

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I went into **** Smith to ask about a cable to connect an 80gb iPod Vid to a tv and the guy said I needed an Apple Cable worth about $70 ... he didn't have any.

Then I went into the AppleStore around the corner and they asked me which iPod I had ... then he told me they didn't have a cable in stock but I could go to **** Smith and just buy a generic cable for a lot less $$$

I'm confused to say the least ...



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I agree that the technology needed to be changed, even though it's a bummer since I can no longer use my generic cable. The part that I don't get at all is why Apple is forcing to buy a $50 product. They could probably charge half that and still make a profit, not to mention they make us buy it with the dock and remote. Can't I just buy a cable alone to do it for like $10? Even that would be overpriced...
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What has Windows got to do with a iPod?

$50??? Oh no!!! Run to the mountains! If you want it, pay up.

Oh and if you take that attitude about Apple, then we'll be better of without you.

I could get a Zune and, I would still be locked into Microsoft's proprietary music format, and software, and accessories!!! And your moaning about a cable? At least Apple have DRM free music. iTunes leaves Windows Media in the dust.
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Isn't there another company we see mentioned here a lot that does the same kind of thing? Thanks Steve. I like your stuff but I'm not getting sucked into that kind of game. Back to Windows for me.

It won't be long until 3rd party cables work with the Touch and 6G iPods. Windows won't help, if you're still iPod bound. Maybe you should get a Zune and see how well that works with WMP11.

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No, they've added the chip to make it work - the old cable wouldn't work.
Are you quite sure about that?
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Are you quite sure about that?
Not 100% as I read in on the Internet , but it's what was said - the old cable won't work. Do a search on the AppleInsider forums, that's where I read it.

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Are you quite sure about that?
If you think about it, the video out is no longer coming from a phone jack and needs to be able to carry either a composite or COMPONENT signal now. The old cables can't do it, unless you had a dock.

I do think it's lame they force us to buy a power brick with the cable when they could've offered just the cable for half the price or less.

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Give it a bit of time and 3rd party vendors will work around it. Motorola did the same crap for the longest time and eventually found out the hard way where it gets them, upset owners and loss of sales.

It is sad to see apple venturing down the same path instead of learning from others mistakes. I am disillusioned with apple and I think that is what the OP was trying to say. I have been using mac for about a year from windows and part of the appeal was a company that has pride in their products and is more pro consumer. I suppose it was my naivety and my own desire to think apple was really any different.
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It is sad to see apple venturing down the same path instead of learning from others mistakes. I am disillusioned with apple and I think that is what the OP was trying to say. I have been using mac for about a year from windows and part of the appeal was a company that has pride in their products and is more pro consumer. I suppose it was my naivety and my own desire to think apple was really any different.
It is funny to see so many people's ignorance about Apple. They DO have pride in their products, perhaps too much. But pro consumer? Today's capitalism eliminates companies that try to be pro consumer.

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