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jab119 06-30-2007 07:38 PM

AT&T vs Verizon Wireless
 
I posted the below in another post, but wanted to share it here.

Everyone is griping about the iphone only being available on the AT& wireless network.

Why you ask, read below and get informed.
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Apple went to Verizon Wireless first to support the iphone.

if you Google search you will find this info.

Apple and Verizon wireless had been working together for better part of a year, then Verizon Wireless told Steve Jobs to shove the iphone up his I LOVE SPARKLY DOLLIES. The demands Apple wanted were not flexible and gave Apple WAY (and I mean WAY) too much control over the device.

The Only other wireless carrier able to distribute and support the iphone was AT&T.

T-mobile, Sprint and Alltells networks are NOT nearly as good as either AT&T or Verizon. They never will be.
You dont push a high end neato gadget with the # 3 or # 4 carrier in the wireless market, Its NOT good business sense.

one of the problems AT&T had with apple was AT&T wanted to lower the price of the iphone to better appeal to the consumer as well as more attractive rate plans. Apple demanded the pricing be set to where they are today and would not budge. AT&T bowed down to Apple.

So you can thank Steve Jobs, NOT AT&T, for the cost and ALL the short falls of your over priced gadget.

yes a 3g version will be out just in time for Christmas.... suckers

fleurya 06-30-2007 07:43 PM

please go away and don't come back unless you can give some real, legitimate sources for all this amazing knowledge you have so kindly dropped on us. 3G by christmas, I'll give you 10:1 odds that it won't happen.

mi6 06-30-2007 07:47 PM

LOL..
Whats point talking about this non sense when phone is out.....
Please go buy an iphone......
thats if you can buy one...

jab119 06-30-2007 08:09 PM

Nope I wont go away. Im in the wireless industry (13 years) so i possibly know just a smidge more about the iphone than you do.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...n-iphone_x.htm

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/01/...ed.by.verizon/

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/29/...-apples-terms/

i did a little searching for you

mi6 06-30-2007 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jab119 (Post 427995)
Nope I wont go away. Im in the wireless industry (13 years) so i possibly know just a smidge more about the iphone than you do.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...n-iphone_x.htm

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/01/...ed.by.verizon/

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/29/...-apples-terms/

i did a little searching for you

lol... working at verizon selling phones....
thats amazing...

BeanieRobert 06-30-2007 08:23 PM

What he has to say about Verizon not having the iphone is true, and to be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if a new updated iphone will be released in a few months. This is apple after all (ex:ipod)

jab119 06-30-2007 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mi6 (Post 428001)
lol... working at verizon selling phones....
thats amazing...

No, if I was a sales person I would be filling your head full lies to sell you more iphones.

I am in Engineering. I used to be directly involved with making the stuff work. Now, I make sure it stays working.

jab119 06-30-2007 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleurya (Post 427980)
please go away and don't come back unless you can give some real, legitimate sources for all this amazing knowledge you have so kindly dropped on us. 3G by christmas, I'll give you 10:1 odds that it won't happen.

if the mods have not kicked me off the forums by then, I will send you $20 if it does Not come out by Christmas.

Now if it does come out, you gonna send me $20

then again it could all just be a rumor, or just the way Apple does things.... ya never know

fleurya 06-30-2007 10:40 PM

Quote:

Steve Jobs to shove the iphone up his ***
Thanks for the articles, but I didn't find this quote in any of them! Also, didn't see any claims of the phone coming out in Christmas. I like how you semi-retracted your own statement about the update by Christmas by saying it may be a rumor. Gee, ya think?? At first you came off like you have first-hand irrefutable knowldge. Either way, I'll take your bet!

You're probably right about one thing, Steve probably is to blame for lack of any discount on the phone with contract. It sounds like instead of AT&T subsidizing a discount with part of the monthly contract profits, they're sending that part of the profits to Apple. AT&T still makes their money, Apple takes our piece intended for a phone discount, and we get screwed by their greediness! (well, not me, I didn't buy one!)

Stretch 06-30-2007 11:02 PM

Thanks but no thanks. If verizon sold the iPhone, it wouldn't be able to do half the crap it does now.

jab119 06-30-2007 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleurya (Post 427980)
please go away and don't come back unless you can give some real, legitimate sources for all this amazing knowledge you have so kindly dropped on us. 3G by christmas, I'll give you 10:1 odds that it won't happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleurya (Post 428062)
Thanks for the articles, but I didn't find this quote in any of them! Also, didn't see any claims of the phone coming out in Christmas. I like how you semi-retracted your own statement about the update by Christmas by saying it may be a rumor. Gee, ya think?? At first you came off like you have first-hand irrefutable knowldge. Either way, I'll take your bet!

You're probably right about one thing, Steve probably is to blame for lack of any discount on the phone with contract. It sounds like instead of AT&T subsidizing a discount with part of the monthly contract profits, they're sending that part of the profits to Apple. AT&T still makes their money, Apple takes our piece intended for a phone discount, and we get screwed by their greediness! (well, not me, I didn't buy one!)

I made the part about the phone up the you know what, but basically Verizon told Apple No, we don't need your product.

the 3g version availability has not hit the press yet. But since Apple is working with Vodafone in Europe to offer the iphone over there it will be 3g at release. Vodafone is not to thrilled with Apple either.

apple is getting all the profits form the iphone, and a small percentage of the monthly service plan. Im not sure about what percent. So AT&T is really not making money on this deal. whic is another reason Verizon backed out of the deal

fleurya 07-01-2007 12:03 AM

Apple gets the profit on the phone and some of the monthly fee profit (probably the amount usually put towards phone discounts), AT&T gets the rest of the profit from the monthly fee and the increase in customers.

I've read a few articles on the Apple/Vodafone deal and soo far it's all strictly rumor. Nothing official has been said by either side about negotiations. I'm sure that when Apple does sell the an international company, it will be 3G, but that doesn't mean a 3G phone will be sold here. People will probably descend on One Infinite Loop with pitchforks and torches though.

Jobs claims the reason for no 3G is space constraints and battery drain. Cingular had the 8125 on EDGE which got upgraded to the 8525 without changing the unit dimensions and no appreciable battery loss with the same battery used. I think Jobs reasons for no 3G are pure hot air. If/when the 3G Euro model comes out, that will be prove or disprove his claims. He said he didn't allow direct iTunes download on the iPhone because it's not a good way to experience new content, or some garbage like that, but he's already alluded to making that option available in the future.

Steve has always been the good guy on the side of the consumer, supposedly, while M$ is the money-hungry jerks screwing people over. I wonder these days, especially after the EA Games thing.

Z mann R2 07-01-2007 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fleurya (Post 427980)
please go away and don't come back unless you can give some real, legitimate sources for all this amazing knowledge you have so kindly dropped on us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jab119 (Post 427995)
Nope I wont go away. Im in the wireless industry (13 years) so i possibly know just a smidge more about the iphone than you do.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...n-iphone_x.htm

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/01/...ed.by.verizon/

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/29/...-apples-terms/

i did a little searching for you

OWN3D!!!

pfb 07-01-2007 06:00 PM

Verizon loves to cripple phone capability... It is no wonder they didn't see eye-to-eye with Apple.

Wireless tethering, file transfer capability, etc. have been available for quite a while on V network phones. Verizon turns them off so they can sell more... wait for it.... RINGTONES.

Talk about a head-in-the-sand (or worse) business model.

It took somebody with the vision and stubborness of S.J. to finally break through the backwards mindsets of the wireless carriers.

PS: I've been a verizon customer for years. As of this week, I am a iPhone loving AT&T customer.

dan828 07-01-2007 08:46 PM

Enjoy AT&T. After a two year contract and the worst customer service and billing problems I'd ever experience, I have to say there is no way that I would ever do business with that company again. Ever. If it means I'll never be able to get an iPhone, then so be it.


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