07-10-2005, 09:21 PM

Question about recent copy protection developments...

Since I've made the switch to Mac I've been quite tempted to get an iPod but I was given pause by my guitar teacher's recent question to me.

He knows I have an iRiver and he was asking about copy protection. He said that when he bought the recent Dave Mathews CD he found that while it could be imported into iTunes it could not be put on an iPod.

I wasn't familiar with this problem and so my question is this?

Is this this truly the case? (He's not the most computer literate person I know so I wanted to verify the problem)

If so, is it going to become common?

How can I get around it...can I rip to MP3 through some other program like WMP and then put it on an iPod?

finally...if it is true...are they crazy and will it last? I'm not about to go back to carrying around a case full of CD's no matter what.....it makes me want to bootleg out of pure spite when I learn that even if I do buy a CD I may not be able to put it on my iPod.

07-10-2005, 09:49 PM

I've never had this problem and I have a lot of music.

07-10-2005, 10:03 PM

The newest DMB album was released as a CD and a DualDisc. The DualDisc has no copy protection on it. The CD does but it is easily circumvented (And I think it doesn't even work on Macs)

07-10-2005, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by trpnmonkey41

(And I think it doesn't even work on Macs)

woooo hoooo go macs

07-10-2005, 10:18 PM

the thing is... U have the right if u legaly buy the CD. to put it on ur computer and your mp3 player... byt them blocking this this will be an infridgment against your rights.

07-10-2005, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by xthisisRomancex

the thing is... U have the right if u legaly buy the CD. to put it on ur computer and your mp3 player... byt them blocking this this will be an infridgment against your rights.

sue em!

07-11-2005, 01:41 AM

Most copy protection schemes don't work on os x, meaning usually 2 disks are mounted: 1 data portion with a software player for mac and 1 regular audio cd that iTunes can rip

07-11-2005, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Aptmunich

Most copy protection schemes don't work on os x, meaning usually 2 disks are mounted: 1 data portion with a software player for mac and 1 regular audio cd that iTunes can rip

hmmm Ive only ever seen that when there is a bonus music video on the cd.

07-11-2005, 08:23 AM

Well I have a few with copy protection, and they nearly all do that.
Ususally there's a little music playback app on the data part of the disk so you can play back the CD without being able to rip it.

The mac loads both parts though, so you're still able to do the Rip.

07-11-2005, 09:36 AM

Ok, so....you're saying that this issue of being able to rip into iTunes but not put it on an iPod doesn't happen with OS X? So I should be able to rip and use any recent CD just like any of my older ones?

07-11-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by xthisisRomancex

the thing is... U have the right if u legaly buy the CD. to put it on ur computer and your mp3 player... byt them blocking this this will be an infridgment against your rights.

Me thinks this is not an entirely accurate statement at this point in time...

Welcome to the intersection of the DMCA and the Betamax ruling...good luck on being on the right side in whoever eventually wins (If I was betting though...I'd go with the ones that line more politician pockets...ie MPAA, RIAA, etc.)

07-12-2005, 02:41 AM

Originally Posted by Abdiel

Ok, so....you're saying that this issue of being able to rip into iTunes but not put it on an iPod doesn't happen with OS X? So I should be able to rip and use any recent CD just like any of my older ones?

Hang on, I just re-read the original posting:

He could rip it in iTunes, but not put it on his iPod?
Makes absolutely no sense to me, I think he's mistaken.

If it is in iTunes and I can play it there, it can be copied to my iPod, unless it is a protected AAC file (i.e. iTunes music store) and I'm not authorized to copy it to any more iPods (limit is like 5 I think).