03-22-2010, 02:12 AM

How can you tell if a website you frequent uses flash?

Cya

03-22-2010, 04:53 AM

Doug they probably said the same thing about digital media. Methods of delivering content will never change if we don't have devices driving it.

Flash, as a way of delivering content, is complete crap. I'm sure HTML5 will have ways of delivering slide shows, sure you'll have to update your gallery software, but that's hardly a reason for us to stand still and carry on using inferior software.

Flash was probably impressive when people were still surfing from a terminal using lynx, but it just doesn't cut it anymore and we need a few people to say "know what, it's about time we dropped it as a format. We aren't going to support it on our devices". You'd be amazed how quickly HTML5 got off the ground if a few more hardware providers done this.

Originally Posted by earl97850

How can you tell if a website you frequent uses flash?

If your CPU starts overheating and your browser crashes the site is probably using flash. Or if it has animation, videos or cheesy effects it's more than likely using flash to deliver content.

03-22-2010, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by kbOx

If your CPU starts overheating and your browser crashes the site is probably using flash. Or if it has animation, videos or cheesy effects it's more than likely using flash to deliver content.

If you have an iPad where the battery life was only 1.5 hours you got the experimental one from Apple with FLASH enabled. That was a stunning revelation about power conservation in a portable device.

I laughed yesterday at the news of a supposed iPad killer with the Android OS that does FLASH. This particular Android tablet boasted as having a 'microfan' to keep it cool. Imagine the background noise in a class if every student had one of those Android tablets. It would give a whole new meaning to Google Buzz!

I also wondered if that Android tablet included a heavy duty marine battery to power it for a full ten hours?

03-22-2010, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by kbOx

Doug they probably said the same thing about digital media. Methods of delivering content will never change if we don't have devices driving it.

Flash, as a way of delivering content, is complete crap. I'm sure HTML5 will have ways of delivering slide shows, sure you'll have to update your gallery software, but that's hardly a reason for us to stand still and carry on using inferior software.

Flash was probably impressive when people were still surfing from a terminal using lynx, but it just doesn't cut it anymore and we need a few people to say "know what, it's about time we dropped it as a format. We aren't going to support it on our devices". You'd be amazed how quickly HTML5 got off the ground if a few more hardware providers done this.


If your CPU starts overheating and your browser crashes the site is probably using flash. Or if it has animation, videos or cheesy effects it's more than likely using flash to deliver content.

Ok, thank you.

Cya

04-02-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by kbOx

Doug they probably said the same thing about digital media. Methods of delivering content will never change if we don't have devices driving it.

Flash, as a way of delivering content, is complete crap. I'm sure HTML5 will have ways of delivering slide shows, sure you'll have to update your gallery software, but that's hardly a reason for us to stand still and carry on using inferior software.

Flash was probably impressive when people were still surfing from a terminal using lynx, but it just doesn't cut it anymore and we need a few people to say "know what, it's about time we dropped it as a format. We aren't going to support it on our devices". You'd be amazed how quickly HTML5 got off the ground if a few more hardware providers done this.

What I think that you and many, many others aren't getting, is that people like me are not against Flash disappearing and being taken over by HTML5. However... it can not happen over night like we'd hope for it to. Yet, the move of cutting off one's nose to spite its face, has been an age old lesson which you'd think the likes of a smart man like Job's would come to terms with. Another however.... The real problem here, is that Jobs isn't actually cutting off much of his nose because his loyal followers will eat anything Apple serves at the dinner table, regardless of whether or not a main course is missing from the feast.

When major corporations and companies aren't playing in the same ballpark as Apple is *for whatever reason's they may have*, it's pretty logical that these guys don't care a bit about the common good of the consumer *that goes for Apple and the rest of em'*, but would rather keep on waging their own personal wars until the funding for all of the ad hype runs out, or until we're so inundated with it that we no longer care or just spend our money on which ever technology is already ahead of the game.

I understand the strategy behind what Stevie is doing, but I don't agree with the tactics he's using to pull them off, at all. Why not just allow currently working technology exist on your platform UNTIL HTML 5 gains a much larger foot hold in the market ?

I do not believe for one second that the prevalence and success of HTML 5 depends upon how soon everybody will STOP using Flash. Let's say that everybody decided to just stop using Flash. Ok... great. But now what ? There aren't enough HTML 5 engineers/coders and content to fill in the now empty gap. None of the major browsers (setting Safari aside) are on board with HTML 5, either. So please tell me what the point is then ? You can't just say.. "the sooner people stop using Flash, the sooner HTML 5 will replace it", because that is an totally untrue statement.

If it was possible, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm all for the death of Flash, but again.... not at the cost of not having a readily available replacement from every aspect that it's needed.

Doug

04-02-2010, 08:18 PM

Actually I think Steve is going the right way about killing flash. You can not slowly adopt a new technology. People then winge, "what about my old hardware and apps that need the old technology?". And you get nowhere cause people are creatures of habit and always want to stick to their old things.

But progress only happens with change. And I think cold turkey is the best way. Kill it and move on. And people have to then move with the times or be left behind. Sure it's not an easy way but then there's no people winging on the back of legacy hardware/software.

The only catch is when to announce the death of something. Did Steve get the timing right for his death of flash speech? I think only time will tell.

04-02-2010, 09:16 PM

Not sure of what to say about that 8thark. I'm not sure that you really got the gist of what I was saying. I know you get the overall picture, but there's an more immediate one than the yet to be seen future picture that Steve would like to wholly take responsibility for. The ego on him is amazingly bold and equally as insecure for trying to pull this off and be the hero to all of his disciples.

The one difference between what he is trying to do, and what has been the classical method of getting new technology to the market while pushing old tech out, is that in the case of the latter, the newer technology had sufficient time in the field being tested and had the necessary technical support as well as support from their target audience as well as from key corporate entities.

The support for HTML 5 is somewhat abysmal at the moment, no matter how much better a platform it may be compared to Flash. And the real issue is that Steve doesn't have the power to change that, no matter what we think or are witnessing with the iPad. The delay in the death of Flash is caused by a force he has little control over, and though it's a tiny hole which might eventually sink the Titanic, it's also a shame that the passengers won't be aware of its ill fate until the last minute.

Doug

04-04-2010, 07:56 AM

I completely agree with the8thark on this. I read an article quoting Jobs as saying that like 70 percent of all Safari "freezes" were caused by Flash and that HTML is the much more reliable. I just hope HTML becomes widely accepted and used quickly.

04-04-2010, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by tdll1313

I completely agree with the8thark on this. I read an article quoting Jobs as saying that like 70 percent of all Safari "freezes" were caused by Flash and that HTML is the much more reliable. I just hope HTML becomes widely accepted and used quickly.

I always laugh at comments like that, I really do. You might think I'm exaggerating, or perhaps lying but.. I'll ask you to believe me and will only say that I don't believe in lying about these things. It serves no purpose for me, as I am not prideful about this stuff.

Outside of one Flash related piece of content, I have NEVER had Firefox crash or freeze on me because of Flash. I can easily site the piece of cr@p software/website which has really poorly coded Flash running it, and this is the point. It's the LAZY and irresponsible and untalented Flash coders fault that a specific site crashes, and not because of Flash its self 100% of the time.

A lot of people claim that Safari doesn't work well with a lot of Flash content, yet I can open the same problematic sites with Firefox and have no problem. That's really a bit suspicious if you asked me. Think about it for a minute. It's a great excuse.. yeah., it's the fault of Flash, not Safari ! Heavens no, not Safari ! I'm just saying, considering all the facts, it's in Apple's best interest that Flash and Safari don't get along.

But whatever, I'm sure I'll get some flack for saying that, but it doesn't bother me. I know that in ALL the years I've been using Firefox and have been viewing the tons of Flash coded photography sites that I have, it has been seamless. Even on a Mac in the past couple of years. For me it's a case of "if it ain't broke... "

Again, I don't mind Flash disappearing. But don't freeking punish me by taking away a working technology that is being used by a LOT of my peers, while waiting for a replacement. It makes ZERO sense.

I also hope that HTML5 becomes a widely accepted standard for all media based content on the web, but it is NOT going to happen just like that. There are too many companies whom have a lot of time and money invested into the latest Flash standards. And these aren't just little nobody companies. We're talking the likes of Google here dude.... And the reality of that is that only WE suffer through their silly and obnoxious format wars. Wish it wasn't so, but it is. And I only want the platform I support (OS X) to support me, right back. At least until everybody is ready to give up that ghost.

Doug