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Why I canít recommend the iPad


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I agree with the above totally.
And want to include camera on your list too. Why add in a pointless low megapixel camera to the ipad that will just take low quality video/photos and chew through the battery life. Best leave all that to something that is designed to take photos, a DSLR (or 10Megapixel point and shoot).

They can right now make a blender that can answer your phone calls or a fridge with a little internet screen on it. I've seen both of those actually. And how pointless they are. My point is the ipad is not a camera nor is it a flash viewer. Get a camera/Mac for those things. The ipad has it's uses as told by Jobs in the keynote. Not to be a swiss army knife of PDA's. More like does a few specific things but does them very well.
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Thanks Kash, you make a well reasoned case for ignoring Flash. I particularly like the fact that you have real world experience with booking the travel sites, as it is this kind of functional website that would cause me the most concern.
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MEH.... still buying one the minute i can
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I agree with the above totally.
And want to include camera on your list too. Why add in a pointless low megapixel camera to the ipad that will just take low quality video/photos and chew through the battery life. Best leave all that to something that is designed to take photos, a DSLR (or 10Megapixel point and shoot).

They can right now make a blender that can answer your phone calls or a fridge with a little internet screen on it. I've seen both of those actually. And how pointless they are. My point is the ipad is not a camera nor is it a flash viewer. Get a camera/Mac for those things. The ipad has it's uses as told by Jobs in the keynote. Not to be a swiss army knife of PDA's. More like does a few specific things but does them very well.
I dunno, I kinda like the idea of being able to webcam on a device like the iPad. I was actually hoping for video chatting to be made available on the fourth gen iPhone.


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This is a great thread. You know, I think everyone should start threads on why this product is or isn't good for them, their parents, their dog walkers, and the bum that sits on the corner. And in the thread we can rehash all of the things that have already been said about what the product has or what it's missing that has been said in several other threads. And everyone else can read those same things and comment on them in the same way constantly until the end of time.

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While not "in the business" so to speak, I am "that" guy... the one all the friends/co-workers/family call when they have problems with their computer, TV, audio gear, etc. I'm also the one they call when it's time for a new one.

I've already had a couple of folks ask about the iPad for their use. Have to say at this point, I believe the vast majority of folks that have to ask someone else about the iPad... it is not the device they're looking for. No more than someone that reads/buys 5 books a year needs a Kindle, Sony or B&N e-reader.

The folks that turn to their geek friends to get purchasing advice about these type of things tend to buy a new computer about once every 5-8 years. They have no clue where technology has gone since the last computer they bought. They just wonder what's wrong with the $600 Dell, HP or Compaq they bought back in 2002 and how cheap can they go and still get something that will last them another 5-8 years. This is not the iPad market. Not yet.

The iPad starting out is a device for folks that know what they want. They already have a computer and at least semi know how to use the thing. My guess is that most of the people that go for an iPad already own more than one computer. This is for those folks who are tired of being tied to their desk for "all" their computing. Or maybe tired of having that 5-8 pound weight tied to their lap whenever they need to just do quick check of their email or maybe googling to do a little research.

The iPad is not a machine that is going to take the place of your work computer. Not even take the place of your primary personal computer. It's certainly not going to take the place of my HTPC or my media server.

A lot of the comments I've seen are those looking to replace their $1500-$2000 computer with this new magical and revolutionary device at an unbelievable price. $500?? Yeah, right people, come on and get for real.

I will be able to sit back in my recliner without this heatsink sitting in my lap while I'm banning spammers. I'll be able to pull up Amazon to check pricing on the next thing I need to buy and without this power cable that I have to run from a not convenient outlet. e-mail? it's there too.

Grabbing a copy of the newest Sci-fi just released in hard cover at 50% or more off the hard cover price. (And I say, some folks need to learn how to adjust the brightness on their monitors. Maybe they wouldn't have such a problem reading. You just wouldn't believe how many folks have the brightness turned up about as high as it will go all the time rather than taking the time to adjust it to existing light conditions.)

I'm like everyone else. I could come up with a lot of stuff that I'd like to have on the thing. I'd like to see full blown 10.6, or dual booting to Win7. Yeah, and then I'm right back to a computer in my lap again. Face it, both 10.6 and Win7 are going to run like poop on a 1Ghz chip. We know for sure Win7 does, just ask someone that owns one of those 1.6Ghz atom chips in a notebook running Win7 (oh sorry, they're actually so bad they came up with a new name for them - netbook - just to let you know up front not to expect too much out of them).

The fact of the matter, the technology to put a Core2Duo, i5, or i7 along with 512MB 3D video, 4GB RAM, 2 USB ports, FW, SD card slot, video camera and 256GB drive all into a 5"x7"x1/2" slab is just not here - yet.

What we do have is a new device with a new chip with a new purpose in a size us old timers might actually be able to see. So for those that would like to sit in the Family room with the rest of the family instead of at that desk at the opposite end of the house "all" the time, the iPad might be for you. Those tired of that hot weight sitting on your lap "all" the time, the iPad might be for you. Those interested in the possibility of color magazines and newspapers, comics, graphic novels, cookbooks..., the iPad might be for you.

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Wow, bobtomay - that was the best editorial I've read about the iPad yet. Two snaps up

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I currently have an 16GB ipod touch (2nd gen.). I'm considering the ipad as a replacement for it. For what I use it for, the ipad makes alot of sense. I doubt it will replace the iphone as it doesn't make calls (not counting voip). But I see alot of people trading up from an ipod touch for this. Also, I've been thinking about an e-reader or kindle. The ipad would both replace my ipod, and serve as an e-book reader.

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Nice read bobtomay. You forget to say anything about what the ipad can become or how revolutionary it is. So 4/5 only for you on that. But I like it. Well said.
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Thank you all for your well considered replies.

I was expecting a lot more descent for my hieratical words, but instead I got large amounts of agreement. Bobtomay summed it up very well when he said:

I believe the vast majority of folks that have to ask someone else about the iPad... it is not the device they're looking for.

I am precisely the sort of person that such non-technical people are asking right now.

I only seem to differ from the group consensus on one point: I think the absence of Flash is more important than people have expressed here. I understand your position, you have done without Flash on the iPhone and it was not that difficult, so surely this is the same?

I am not so sure. Watching how I and others use the iPhone, it seems to be used more as a “top-up” surfing device. The thing you use when you cannot get to a larger screen on a desktop or laptop. This is reinforced by server logs, there are lots of iPhones out there, but they account for relatively few hits per device. I like the vision of sitting in a comfortable chair and surfing with a pad, not as a top-top, but to catch up an all the things that interest me, but I want the whole web, not just most of it.
It will be hard to explain to users why big parts of the web do not work. I live in the UK, the BBC’s websites are immensely popular here (and list amongst the most visited globally) all use Flash. Not an issue if you live elsewhere? Not necessarily, that’s just one example site, there will be numerous others (including the Hulu example).

I suspect that if non-technical people buy the iPad they will be irritated by the absence of Flash (perhaps much more so than the audience here), irritated enough that the device would fall into disuse. I agree that if enough people buy it then the website owner will change away from Flash, but such things take time.

Competition could change the whole landscape, with the Slate and now the idea of a Chrome based pad. I like competition, it raises everyone’s game.

Listening to your thoughts makes make think that I am following the right path in terms of recommendations to non technical users. I am have not found one yet who’s needs are a good match for this device (which is a shame because it is real close), but I remain open minded.
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I am getting a 16G WiFi Ipad the first day it comes out. It just makes a lot of sense to me. I am married with no kids, 29 years old. We have a Mac desktop, a macbook, a netbook, and I have an Iphone. For me, it's obviously not something I HAVE to get, but it's more of a cool new toy that we both want, and here are a few of the reasons I am getting one in case anyone cares.
I notice my wife an I either lying in bed with our knees up or on the couches in the same position on our laptops. I think this device is a lot better for that situation as it will not get too hot, and you can much easier just set it aside, and grab it again. It will also just be more comfortable in the positions you can use it.
Not having to have it plugged in all the time is HUGE. We all know how fast laptop batteries die. Fact is, I never use my laptop around the house without it being plugged in. Being able to walk around the house carrying my Ipad, not worrying about the cable will be very nice.
I imagine us renting movies and watching them in bed at night on the Ipad. When I notice that she has fallen asleep 30mins into the movie which she often does, I can just pop in my headphones, and finish the movie by myself quietly. Same for reading a book at night.I don't need an external light which often bothers her.
Gaming, which I have noticed a lot of people aren't mentioning, will be so much cooler than the Iphone. My wife and i take turns a lot of night playing different games on my Iphone. We're not big gamers (we have a NES and PS2 which we never play), but we seem to just like the ease and simple fun with a lot of the games on the Iphone. I think the Ipad will take these games to the next level. The image quality will be better, and the games should be a lot more enjoyable. Has anyone thought about laying the ipad down flat on a table, and playing checkers or chess with someone across from you? Soo COOL! Really, you could do this with a lot of board games. I think the gaming possibilities with this device will be near endless, and fun to try out as they come out.
I honestly don't understand anyone who has a lot of negative things to say about this thing. I could care less about the camera. I NEVER use any of my built in webcams. Never. The lack of flash rarely bothers me on my iphone. No big deal. One of the complaints is that it's just a bigger Itouch. Well... yeah... exactly! It IS a bigger Itouch... with a nicer screen, MUCH faster wireless internet, much nicer ebook, and really cool apps which will be streaming out soon. Oh yeah, and it's at the same price the Itouch was at when it came out. What is there to complain about? Just accept it for what it is. When you look at it for what it can do instead of what it can't, its pretty freaking cool. Certainly the coolest device i will own at the time of purchase. Stop sweating over all the stupid little details. Yes, the future generations of the Ipad will certainly be better just as everything that comes out in the future will be, but this one is here now. Take it for what it is and just enjoy it.
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Something else I've thought of.
it seems the ipad is the first Apple product 100% made by Apple. Apple hardware including Apple CPU, Apple software, and even the 3rd party software needs Apple approval before it can be on the App store. I know it is not somethnig to be considered when buting an ipad. But is that spmething Apple is planing towards. 100% Apple made products or? It just struck me as I don't know any other good electronic computer that is 100% made by the same company (hardware, OS and software).
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I currently have an 16GB ipod touch (2nd gen.). I'm considering the ipad as a replacement for it. For what I use it for, the ipad makes alot of sense. I doubt it will replace the iphone as it doesn't make calls (not counting voip). But I see alot of people trading up from an ipod touch for this. Also, I've been thinking about an e-reader or kindle. The ipad would both replace my ipod, and serve as an e-book reader.
I disagree. Like has been stated before the iPad is not meant to replace rather than bridge a gap. The iPod touch is portable, you can use it on a run, in the car etc. It would be almost pointless to replace that with a gap bridger.
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I too am awaiting my chance to buy an iPad with great anticipation.
The question I would like to ask is: There has to be some people out there who got to handle the real item during the Beta testing; have the NDAs expired to where they can weigh in with hands on experience?
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[QUOTE=ratbat;992313]I like the iPad. The iPhone is a ground breaking work of art and science. The iPad obviously builds on that and I welcome it wholeheartedly.

However, when it gets down to the serious nuts and bolts and people starting asking me if they should buy one for their particular requirements, I keep finding myself saying no.



I have a very interesting neighbor who is a retired computer tech. Reading your comments I'm curious whether you have owned or spent a great deal of time with Apple products. Please take no offence but until 3 years ago my neighbor scoffed at Apple computers....until he bought my old MacBook..then my Airport...and now owns his own laptop! I tease him when he asks if I have any more Mac products to sell saying that he has finally "come over from the dark side". He is now a believer and has made things work with these Macs that were never in their specs.
Okay back to the Ipad. I have a feeling that there will be new changes in Gen 2 with it. Gen 1 will give Apple more of an idea what their customers want. The fun thing about the folks at Apple is that they take technology that may be known but sometimes are the first to use it mass market (USB port) then is imitated by others. If the Ipad takes off then it will only get better. As to non techs...face it...at least 90% of people do not even know how to set up a DVD player. They want simple. As in most things the Ipad will not be all things to all people. But it will have it's place. As I am becoming part of a growing number of people in this country entering their senior years I can see the Ipad taking the place of my first gen Ipod as far as Apps go. I really need a larger screen. If audiobooks can be used and a braille overlay added I can really see this as a great tool for those visually impaired. Right now the magnification factor for reading alone would be worth the cost to many people I know. I feel that if Steve Jobs is smart where he markets the iPod to the younger generation he then should include the Older generation in using the Ipad. Many people entering their 50's came upon the computer late in life. They generally could care less about social interfacing on blogs. If they go to a computer it us usually just to get emails or play games. So for many of them this may take the place of a home computer. Three things will attract the ones who never bought a computer...ease of use, it will be light and it will not cost as much as a computer.
So yes I think that it will have a place. I think of my electronics as tools. Do I or don't I really need it? Will it sit or will I use it? If the people taking to you just want the latest gadget they will by it even over your advise. The others I would tell to get on the Apple site and check it out for themselves. Then ask themselves if they will treat it as a fad or will it fill a need? As for surfing the web I think that there will be no problem. Apple I'm sure ,as usual, has done their homework. Except for AT&T. Sorry but I had to get that dig in.
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