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How can I stream movies that are on an Airport Time Capsule on my iPad 1?


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I have not investigated getting movies from a cable/satellite provider's DVR in many years. Unless there has been some new external device come out (which it appears there has not been based on Dave's and Sly's comments), the easiest way to watch the movies that are on your DVR, is going to be by taking your DVR and a TV on your trip. You can buy a 24" TV for a couple hundred bucks.

I did this for some time - I should still have sitting in my closet, the last ATI All-in Wonder HD card that could capture video and does not recognize flags.

All these DVRs use proprietary file formats - specifically to prevent people from just copying movies they've recorded to their computers. As far as I am aware, to get the files from the DVR and be able to watch them on a computer/iPad or any other device is going to require some sort of video capture device that will re-encode the files into a file format playable by the iPad. This is going to require real time play back of everything you want to take, prior to going on your trip.

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Yes exactly and I think that is pretty much what I've been saying from the beginning. I'll be traveling through Mexico, Central America, and South America and will most of the time be camping in areas with NO internet so it would be nice to watch a movie at night on my iPad so I'm trying to figure out how to do this with the least hassle.

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Well, please just be more specific rather than elusive - you have an iPad 1 w/o any movies on it, you'll have a MBPro but no internet or Wi-Fi, and you want to get movies off your DVR to play on your iPad - am I getting close? Dave
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Hmmm, thats weird because even the people at Apple told me that the Airport Time Capsule creates its own wifi network without the need for an internet connection. I'll have to call them again to confirm this because I was very clear in telling both people there that I will not have internet.

Space will be at a premium so I'm really hoping to do this without taking a ton of DVD's.

Are the threads you started on how to transfer movies obvious to find if I look at all the threads you started here? (Assuming I can even do that on this forum)


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Hi again - we posted at almost the same time so I kinda missed your post above - reading and helps - now I may 'burst your bubble' regarding the Apple Time Capsule but a Wi-Fi network is not created unless there is a cabled internet connection, i.e. won't work as you plan even w/ plenty of movies on its hard drive. I'm willing to be corrected but I own an Airport Extreme and when my TW modem decides to stop working (needs a reboot) I completely lose Wi-Fi - having a HD in the device will not make a difference.

Now there are several follow-up posts concerning the DVR situation - in my post, I've explained my way of getting DVR movies unto another medium (DVD-Rs) - the AV can be fed to any compatible external device but the process is slow & tedious - if these files could be placed on SD cards then using the AirStash would work w/ your iPad - I've not given it a try but I believe the movies can be streamed from those cards rather than loaded onto your iPad.

However, just curious about your motorhome - do you have a TV w/ a DVD player? If so, may be easier to just use optical media and if you want the movies from your DVR then you could burn them to DVD-R like I've been doing for years. Dave
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Hmmm, thats weird because even the people at Apple told me that the Airport Time Capsule creates its own wifi network without the need for an internet connection. I'll have to call them again to confirm this because I was very clear in telling both people there that I will not have internet.

Space will be at a premium so I'm really hoping to do this without taking a ton of DVD's.

Are the threads you started on how to transfer movies obvious to find if I look at all the threads you started here? (Assuming I can even do that on this forum)
Hey again - as said, I'll stand to be corrected about whether the Apple AirPort stations can establish their own Wi-Fi network w/o an internet connection - the AirStash device that I own & described does it, so not a difficult issue, I guess - I'll be quite curious about Apple's response - my AirPort Extreme is the previous model and cannot do what you describe.

Now, if indeed the new model can establish a Wi-Fi network while you're camping, you still have to figure out how to get those movies onto the HD of the Time Capsule and then to beam the films wirelessly to your iPad - would require an app on your iDevice - does one exist? Still dubious that you'll be able to accomplish your goals, as described. Hopefully other members will continue to 'chime in' to help - keep the questions coming, may just help others trying to do the same. Dave
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Am pretty sure the TC can create a wifi network without internet access - would have to test again - but thinking I have done this and pretty sure my TC wifi network has been operational on the lan even when the internet has been down. Will not have time to test that until the weekend.

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To me that's still not the biggest issue - the real issue is getting videos from a cable companies DVR in a format that is playable on other devices. And the simplest/easiest answer is take the DVR and a TV.

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I'm sure that the TC and the Airport Base Station can create a WiFi network without an internet connection. Even my Verizon FIOS ActionTech Router can do that. However, there's a big difference between a WiFi network without a net connection and one with it.
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And in regards to what I want to do here, what is the difference between a wifi network with and without an internet connection?

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Self explanatory. A WiFi network without an internet connection is just that. You've got WiFi between your devices but no access to the net. As I stated in my reply above, I can do that with my FIOS ActionTech router if I disconnect the incoming LAN cable. I'll have WiFi between my iPhone, iPad, and iMac, but no connectivity to the net until I reattach the LAN cable.
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Self explanatory. A WiFi network without an internet connection is just that. You've got WiFi between your devices but no access to the net. As I stated in my reply above, I can do that with my FIOS ActionTech router if I disconnect the incoming LAN cable. I'll have WiFi between my iPhone, iPad, and iMac, but no connectivity to the net until I reattach the LAN cable.
Yes, there are a number of devices that can establish their own Wi-Fi network - I mentioned the AirStash (which I own) which requires an easy to use app on the iPad and reads from SD cards; another is the Apotop Wi-Reader shown below - has a number of inputs (ethernet, SD, & USB) - setups up a Wi-Fi network also and reads from those 3 inputs mentioned - now I do not own this device to comment. For the OP, the iPadForums have plenty of comments on both of these Wi-Fi devices (and 2 stickies can be found there).

BUT, the issue still remains as to getting movies onto SD cards or w/ the Apotop device onto USB sticks or an external HD (the latter of course brings in options, such as the Seagate GoFlex). And yet still extracting the films from a DVR and converting each to a format acceptable by the iPad (although w/ the appropriate app streaming would be a choice)?

I'll still be curious about the Apple AirPort routers (or 'base stations') w or w/o storage - if a Wi-Fi network can be setup to communicate w/ an Apple laptop or iDevices w/o an internet connection, what features are really provided? Possibly Time Machine backup - others? Could movies on the Time Capsule really be streamed to an iPad? If so, is AirPlay used or an app required? Dave

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Yes I verified this by calling Apple again and the Airport Time Capsule does create its own wifi network without an internet connection. It is basically an external hard drive with a built in router.

I called DirectTV and asked them if its possible to transfer movies/TV shows from their DVR to my external hard drive and she said it was but said that since that is a third party application that she wouldn't be able to tell me how to do that.

Yes apparently I can play movies on my iPad by "beaming" them from the Airport Time Capsule using the Filebrowser app.

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Hey again - as said, I'll stand to be corrected about whether the Apple AirPort stations can establish their own Wi-Fi network w/o an internet connection - the AirStash device that I own & described does it, so not a difficult issue, I guess - I'll be quite curious about Apple's response - my AirPort Extreme is the previous model and cannot do what you describe.

Now, if indeed the new model can establish a Wi-Fi network while you're camping, you still have to figure out how to get those movies onto the HD of the Time Capsule and then to beam the films wirelessly to your iPad - would require an app on your iDevice - does one exist? Still dubious that you'll be able to accomplish your goals, as described. Hopefully other members will continue to 'chime in' to help - keep the questions coming, may just help others trying to do the same. Dave



I knew that thanks but I meant for my purposes of watching movies stored on a wifi hard drive on my iPad without an internet connection if it somehow made a difference and apparently it wouldn't.

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Self explanatory. A WiFi network without an internet connection is just that. You've got WiFi between your devices but no access to the net. As I stated in my reply above, I can do that with my FIOS ActionTech router if I disconnect the incoming LAN cable. I'll have WiFi between my iPhone, iPad, and iMac, but no connectivity to the net until I reattach the LAN cable.



I have never heard of the Air Stash until now. Is the Air Stash basically a router that could enable me to do this with a much less expensive NON wifi hard drive?

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Yes, there are a number of devices that can establish their own Wi-Fi network - I mentioned the AirStash (which I own) which requires an easy to use app on the iPad and reads from SD cards; another is the Apotop Wi-Reader shown below - has a number of inputs (ethernet, SD, & USB) - setups up a Wi-Fi network also and reads from those 3 inputs mentioned - now I do not own this device to comment. For the OP, the iPadForums have plenty of comments on both of these Wi-Fi devices (and 2 stickies can be found there).

BUT, the issue still remains as to getting movies onto SD cards or w/ the Apotop device onto USB sticks or an external HD (the latter of course brings in options, such as the Seagate GoFlex). And yet still extracting the films from a DVR and converting each to a format acceptable by the iPad (although w/ the appropriate app streaming would be a choice)?

I'll still be curious about the Apple AirPort routers (or 'base stations') w or w/o storage - if a Wi-Fi network can be setup to communicate w/ an Apple laptop or iDevices w/o an internet connection, what features are really provided? Possibly Time Machine backup - others? Could movies on the Time Capsule really be streamed to an iPad? If so, is AirPlay used or an app required? Dave
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This discussion is helping a lot so I really appreciate all of your input! Airport Time Capsules are very pricey so I'm starting to think of ways to do this cheaper. Since the Airport Time Capsule is a hard drive with a built in router, and I'm going to need a router in my motorhome anyway (so I can pick up free wifi from Home Depot, Starbucks, Walmart, etc. when available), couldn't I accomplish the same thing for a lot less money if I buy a router that will connect to any device and a much cheaper NON wifi 2 to 4 TB external hard drive? Connect the normal NON wifi external hard drive into the router with a USB cable and then watch the movies on the hard drive with my iPad 1 using Filebrowser? Would that work?
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Yes I verified this by calling Apple again and the Airport Time Capsule does create its own wifi network without an internet connection. It is basically an external hard drive with a built in router.

I called DirectTV and asked them if its possible to transfer movies/TV shows from their DVR to my external hard drive and she said it was but said that since that is a third party application that she wouldn't be able to tell me how to do that.

Yes apparently I can play movies on my iPad by "beaming" them from the Airport Time Capsule using the Filebrowser app.
Well, when my cable modem goes out I lose the internet, but I am still connected to my AirPort Extreme router via Wi-Fi, so assume that is the explanation - curious what I could do relative to my other computer or by attaching an external HD directly to the base station - will need to give it a try?

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I have never heard of the Air Stash until now. Is the Air Stash basically a router that could enable me to do this with a much less expensive NON wifi hard drive?
Check the previous link given and also their Website - the AirStash is not a router but establishes its own personal Wi-Fi network; you then enter settings on your iPad and select that network; finally a proprietary (free) app on your iDevice allows communication w/ the AirStash w/ an inserted SD card - SD cards could have movies stored which could be streamed to your iPad - you would just need to figure out how to get the film files onto SD cards?
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This discussion is helping a lot so I really appreciate all of your input! Airport Time Capsules are very pricey so I'm starting to think of ways to do this cheaper. Since the Airport Time Capsule is a hard drive with a built in router, and I'm going to need a router in my motorhome anyway (so I can pick up free wifi from Home Depot, Starbucks, Walmart, etc. when available), couldn't I accomplish the same thing for a lot less money if I buy a router that will connect to any device and a much cheaper NON wifi 2 to 4 TB external hard drive? Connect the normal NON wifi external hard drive into the router with a USB cable and then watch the movies on the hard drive with my iPad 1 using Filebrowser? Would that work?
Yes my very thoughts - a 2-3 TB Time Capsule is indeed expensive and not really needed - please return to one of my previous posts and look at the Apotop Wi-Reader link and read the information carefully - this device allows a number of different inputs, including a USB connection to an inexpensive external HD (I'm using 1 TB Seagate HDs for my Time Machine BUs - these were under $100).

You don't need a router to use Wi-Fi in a hotspot cafe, like Starbucks, etc. - the iPad can simply connect by itself - I'm sure you already know that? Of course, a device like the Seagate GoFlex HD offers both storage & a personal Wi-Fi network - now I've not use this device and there are some negative reviews on Amazon - follow the link, if interested. Dave
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Still have to ask - have you solved the first step? e.g. Getting the movies from a cable companies DVR onto a computer?

Without that and willing to spend the time (in real time - a 2 hour movie is going to take 2 hours of time), deciding what end device to use is fairly pointless. Are you wanting to take 5 movies? - 10 hours time is not too bad - but 25 or 50 movies and have to spend 50-100 hours or more to get them into a format that will play on an iPad first? Are you willing to spend that time? Then need to know what size the files will be in order to purchase an appropriately sized drive.

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The Airport Extreme is like the Airport Time Capsule minus the built in hard drive, right? If so, how come the Airport Extreme is tall like the Time Capsule and not short like the Airport Express?

I was thinking that I want watching a movie on my iPad to be as easy as watching a movie on my iPad with Netflix which means I'd rather access a few hundred movies on a big hard drive directly than to have to constantly be loading them on to an SD card.

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Well, when my cable modem goes out I lose the internet, but I am still connected to my AirPort Extreme router via Wi-Fi, so assume that is the explanation - curious what I could do relative to my other computer or by attaching an external HD directly to the base station - will need to give it a try?

Check the previous link given and also their Website - the AirStash is not a router but establishes its own personal Wi-Fi network; you then enter settings on your iPad and select that network; finally a proprietary (free) app on your iDevice allows communication w/ the AirStash w/ an inserted SD card - SD cards could have movies stored which could be streamed to your iPad - you would just need to figure out how to get the film files onto SD cards?



The Apotop Wi-Reader looks interesting and $54 is reasonable. Did you get the $53 model or the $80 one?

I was considering the Seagate wifi hard drive before I found out about the Airport Time Capsule. I've seen a couple new Airport Time Capsules on Craigslist for about the same cost as the Seagate wifi drive but with twice the TB.

I'm still figuring this out but I think the reason for needing a router (and the Apotop Wi-Reader is a router too) is that I will probably have an omni directional wifi antenna on the top or a small Yagi directional wifi antenna (to pickup free internet) that will be connected to a signal booster, and if I remember correctly, I think the router needs to be connected to the booster??

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Yes my very thoughts - a 2-3 TB Time Capsule is indeed expensive and not really needed - please return to one of my previous posts and look at the Apotop Wi-Reader link and read the information carefully - this device allows a number of different inputs, including a USB connection to an inexpensive external HD (I'm using 1 TB Seagate HDs for my Time Machine BUs - these were under $100).

You don't need a router to use Wi-Fi in a hotspot cafe, like Starbucks, etc. - the iPad can simply connect by itself - I'm sure you already know that? Of course, a device like the Seagate GoFlex HD offers both storage & a personal Wi-Fi network - now I've not use this device and there are some negative reviews on Amazon - follow the link, if interested. Dave



No I haven't figured out how to transfer the movies from a DVR to my hard drive yet because I've been too busy lately with the rebuild of my RV but Direct TV said its doable. A friend of mine just told me that he has a hard drive with 200 to 300 movies on it so I'm going to check that out this week. Normally I would need MP4's for the iPad, right? But since I'm not going to download them on to the iPad, or play them from iTunes, maybe it won't matter what format they are in? There are a couple highly rated iPad apps that enable you to play many different video formats on an iPad.

Regarding how many movies I'm going to take with me... well, since I'm heading to the tip of South America, I was hoping to take at least a few hundred movies.

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Still have to ask - have you solved the first step? e.g. Getting the movies from a cable companies DVR onto a computer?

Without that and willing to spend the time (in real time - a 2 hour movie is going to take 2 hours of time), deciding what end device to use is fairly pointless. Are you wanting to take 5 movies? - 10 hours time is not too bad - but 25 or 50 movies and have to spend 50-100 hours or more to get them into a format that will play on an iPad first? Are you willing to spend that time? Then need to know what size the files will be in order to purchase an appropriately sized drive.
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