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Time Capsule + Airport Express + Ipod Touch = Sonos replacement?


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Hi,

I hope you guys can help me out:

Background to my question:
I currently have a SONOS system. I love most of it, although I really miss 'dynamic' playlists. You cannot play songs 'on the fly'. You have to go into your library to create your playlists manually. Sure, you can import an iTunes playlist, but this playlist isn't 'dynamic' (unlike the 'Genius' feature in iTunes, where you click a song and a playlist is created). With my SONOS, I feel like I'm tapping into the same songs over and over (I'm lazy, I know ) while other (less familiar) songs are rarely played.

I'm thinking of buying an iMac in a while and I would also like to replace the SONOS with an iTunes based system where I can generate playlists on the fly. (+ to reduce the number of boxes, remotes, ... in my house).

Questions:
Can you put your iTunes library on a Time Capsule (instead of on your Mac), still access your music with your Mac turned off via an iPod Touch (as a remote) and play it via one or more Airport Express base stations (connected to a stereo or active speakers)? If so, the SONOS has to go. If not, Apple is missing an opportunity here (in my opinion).

Can you replace one of the Airport Express base stations with an Apple tv?
Do both the analog as the digital audio output on the Apple tv work simultaniously (or is one disabled when the other one is in use)?

Many thanks for your help !
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Hi, I'll just answer question step-by-step

Q: Can you put your iTunes library on a Time Capsule (instead of on your Mac), still access your music with your Mac turned off via an iPod Touch (as a remote)
A: You can create an external library on an external (network)drive and play it remotely from iTunes.
however! you cannot control it with iPod/iPhone when its turned off.

Q: Can you replace one of the Airport Express base stations with an Apple tv?
A: Nope sorry, Airport Express is a wireless acces point, with an audio output. the output gets it signal wirelessly, the Apple TV doesn't support such signals.

Q: Do both the analog as the digital audio output on the Apple tv work simultaniously (or is one disabled when the other one is in use)?
A: There should be no problem using them simultaniously. of this I'm not sure however.

Hope this helps you out a bit.
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Hi,

Thanks for your answers, but a few things remain unclear to me:

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Q: Can you put your iTunes library on a Time Capsule (instead of on your Mac), still access your music with your Mac turned off via an iPod Touch (as a remote)
A: You can create an external library on an external (network)drive and play it remotely from iTunes.
however! you cannot control it with iPod/iPhone when its turned off.
So, the iPod Touch serves just a remote for iTunes ('the app') which cannot be accessed when your Mac is turned off of course... You can't install iTunes on the Time Capsule, if I understand you correctly? (the Logitec Squeezebox has a 'server' app that you need to install on your NAS, the SONOS just finds the music on your NAS (has its software installed on the zone players & remote). Is the Time Capsule a NAS or is it just a HD with a built in router?

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Q: Can you replace one of the Airport Express base stations with an Apple tv?
A: Nope sorry, Airport Express is a wireless acces point, with an audio output. the output gets it signal wirelessly, the Apple TV doesn't support such signals.
But it would be possible if you connect the Apple tv to a wired network? (which I prefer, more stable & faster)

Thanks again,
Best regards !
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I am also a Sonos owner and tried the whole iTunes/AirPort thing. Do yourself a favor and do not sell the Sonos until you use the new solution for a few weeks. If you're like me you will come running back to Sonos. It's really not that hard to create some Genius playlists and let the Sonos get updated with them while you sleep (or manually by clicking a button). I am also very lazy and have been begging for Slacker integration with the Sonos. Yes the iPod Touch/iPhone is nothing more than a remote and yes you can wire the AppleTV (recommended actually).
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Hi,

Many thanks for your input.

I'll stick with the Sonos for now and hope that they integrate a genius-like-feature in one of the next software updates. That would make Sonos really perfect for me.

I agree with you that importing a 'Genius' playlist isn't that hard at all, but I want to be able to play a 'Genius list' for let's say 10-15 songs and then switch to something else. Having to import a new list every time is, let's be honest, not really that user friendly. (I currently do not own an iPod touch, nor an iPhone, so for me that means running to the computer everytime).

I'm a bit dissapointed in the 'genius' of Apple, though. In my humble opinion they are missing a great opportunity to 'jump' on the (budget friendly) multiroom system bandwagon, especially because you could integrate everything beautifully with your existing computer/iPod setup and reduce clutter in your house. Oh well, maybe they will offer a solution in one of their next product updates. I'll keep an eye on it.

The iMac still is on my 'to buy list', thought

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No worries. I totally agree. I have been really missing something "Genius" for the Sonos. I always thought Apple would end up buying Sonos. Probably not going to happen now though. I do use my iPhone for a Sonos controller though. That is awesome. I am wondering if I could use the iTunes remote part and create a Genius playlist and then just update the index from the Sonos controller. Might give it a shot. Not very user friendly though.
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Sounds like a plan. Can you please give it a try and let me know if it works?
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Sounds like a plan. Can you please give it a try and let me know if it works?
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