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I find it irritating that more and more suggestions of deleting MacKeeper appear, as it is, by majority public opinion, deemed detrimental to our hardware. Yet WE actually advertise it and as such, it would seem, on the face of it anyway, that we support it. It is not until you get into the body of the forum and spend time here that you realize that in point of fact, it is deplored.

It is this way, we are told, because we have no control upon what is advertised on OUR forum and what is not. This doesn’t seem right to me.

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This person actually downloaded and installed MacKeeper because it was advertised on Mac Forums and therefore they deemed appropriate to install.

Suppose that these uncontrollable advertises start to post porn adverts or other equally inappropriate media, what would happen then? Would we start to say no? Surely, regardless of who pays for the forum, the mods/admins have a right to be consulted or at the very least a sticky at the front before we join to say that we do not support any product as advertised on this forum, whatsoever, or better still can we ban advertisements all together?

Is there nothing we could do?

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I'll add my voice to that (for what it's worth).

A very reasonable question.

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Thanks for your feedback. We are working with our parent organization, iNet interactive to try to eliminate the MacKeeper ads.

Liquid and computers don't mix. It might seem simple, but we see an incredible amount of people post here about spills. Keep drinks and other liquids away from your expensive electronics!
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Thanks for your feedback. We are working with our parent organization, iNet interactive to try to eliminate the MacKeeper ads.
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Agreed. Reasonable topic and question.

I'll look into it.

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Agreed. Reasonable topic and question.

I'll look into it.
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I don't have a great deal of insight on how websites and advertising coexist, but I appreciate that advertising is a big reason we have the Internet we have today. In the same way that commercial Television (at least in the US) expanded and took the shape it is today because of commercials (up till relatively recently a neccessary and unavoidable evil--I truly love my DVR).

The problem as I see it (and I may be totally off base here) isn't so much the specific advertising as it is the implication that we endorse a product because that advertising appears here.

I don't know a way around that other than getting rid of it (which appears to be an option under consideration), but on the other hand I don't think we want to get into censoring and suppressing either ala all that SOPA and PIPA mess that was proposed.

Anyway, I don't have much of a point to make; lack of coffee tends to make me wax philisophical. I will add that I REALLY appreciate the work our staff does (even Van and Brian), especially their attitude, which is one of the big reasons that keeps me coming back.

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As much as it pains me to do so - I think one of the lessons learned here is that we, as staff, need to monitor the ads better.

To be quite honest, I've used the Ad-Free skin ever since it was first made available, and I normally run Ad Block Plus. So, I'm not seeing what the average user does here. And that obviously, can be problematic.

So, thanks J0nb0y32 for bringing this up and raising awareness of the seriousness of the problem.

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Razormac, while your point may not be the most pointed point, I think it makes a really solid point to me. I agree fully on the staff here too - they are a pleasure to work.

Ideally from my perspective, we wouldn't approve/filter/censor advertising here. Ideally we would have a content rating system, to ensure no innappropriate/objectionable content is displayed in ads (sex/drugs/illegal stuff), and that is it.

From a principal standpoint, it is important to me to have separation of church and state. Church is the community - grass roots, regular joe, personal guidance and opinions shared for the sake of helping one another. That is stuff that is authentic and I trust without as much skepticism. The state is the business which makes that possible to take place - sales, advertising, paying bills. If the community can practice its "faith" without interference from the "state", that is an ideal situation to me - and in turn, the community would stay out of state affairs as well. Maybe that doesn't entirely make sense in real life - but it would be an easy, somewhat "fair" arrangement.

But there is an important issue present across all forums, and that is often visitors take advertisements as endorsements. I don't know why people take that perspective, but it is a fact that they do. It is weird to me, as if you watch a TV show, you don't think the actors endorse doritos, feminine hygiene products, and toothpaste - its just considered advertising which makes the TV show free for you to watch. In my experience, ad sales people often take a traditional TV advertiser perspective - they often don't immediately understand why the audience would object to the advertisement of a particular piece of software or a particular product. Our feedback can help with that.

And ultimately, perception is reality. If people perceive ads as endorsements/approval, we likely do want to have some level of oversight on what ads we promote here. Again, ideally I'd prefer to stay out of advertising matters, as I prefer advertising stays out of my forum operation matters - but at times, it is good to work together.

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I will add that I REALLY appreciate the work our staff does (even Van and Brian), especially their attitude, which is one of the big reasons that keeps me coming back.
Haha, glad to know that me and BLVPI are an afterthought.

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But there is an important issue present across all forums, and that is often visitors take advertisements as endorsements. I don't know why people take that perspective, but it is a fact that they do. It is weird to me, as if you watch a TV show, you don't think the actors endorse doritos, feminine hygiene products, and toothpaste - its just considered advertising which makes the TV show free for you to watch.
I think part of the problem is relevance to the content. Watching a TV show (let's say Mad Men) and then seeing a commercial for Doritos, one would be hard-pressed to make a connection. On the flip side, if one browses a Mac forum and sees an ad for MacKeeper, one can make a connection with ease (regardless of whether or not it's a legitimate one). The closer the relevance, the easier it is to conflate advertisement with endorsement.

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Haha, glad to know that me and BLVPI are an afterthought.
Okay . . . I will come clean. I ESPECIALLY appreciate Van and BLVPI, but am trying to help keep their egos in check (a losing proposition I will admit).

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The problem as I see it (and I may be totally off base here) isn't so much the specific advertising as it is the implication that we endorse a product because that advertising appears here.

I don't know a way around that other than getting rid of it (which appears to be an option under consideration), but on the other hand I don't think we want to get into censoring and suppressing either ala all that SOPA and PIPA mess that was proposed.
The ads shouldn't necessarily be individually approved, and endorsement shouldn't be implied (even though many people do assume that). But it is a problem when you receive revenue from advertising a product that we have a great disdain for. It'd be one thing if it was a select few of us who have a problem with it, but the concerns over MacKeeper in particular is nearly universal. Rejecting ads from companies that make software that we as a community find to be highly problematic isn't censorship. It's practicing what we preach. Well some variation of that saying anyway.

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okay . . . I will come clean. I especially appreciate van and blvpi, but am trying to help keep their egos in check (a losing proposition i will admit).
good call, but kind of agree with the sentiment...said from the corner of my mouth
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Raised the latest ads here for MacKeeper Antivirus. The problem as I see it new Mac users may well consider the product/s promoted here to come with some sort of 'seal of approval'.

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