06-11-2007, 02:30 PM

Subject says it all!

Oh well, can't happen every year at WWDC

06-11-2007, 02:31 PM

but why is the store still down?

06-11-2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheInvsbleMan

but why is the store still down?

Oh sorry about that...I will turn it back on in a sec...

06-11-2007, 02:35 PM

The main question is, why did they shut down the Apple Store if no new stuff was actually announced or even updated?

What the heck? Is this done in order to just draw more attention to the keynote? To keep us all anxious and come up with nothing in the end?

This looks very unfair, Apple!

06-11-2007, 02:36 PM

Yeah that is true.......I will ask Steve when I give him a call on his iphone....give me a sec

06-11-2007, 02:37 PM

Ok reopened with just a new design...nothing new

06-11-2007, 02:41 PM

Wow, that was lame. I hope there's more. If not, I'm happy with the new MBP

06-11-2007, 02:44 PM

What a total gas!

Safari for Windoze! Just because of this, I don't agree with the title. I mean think about it: this is another foray into the Windoze world for Apple. This will only show to more Windoze users not sure they will switch that Apple software is cool, better looking, more stable! They'll never grab the fanboys but those that are curious will undoubtedly take a good long hard look at Safari.

There might be some hidden integration for future features, I don't know at this point, but Safari can only take some market share from discontented IE users. Safari, combined with Firefox and other browsers, heck! IE will be going down in market share, I'm sure of this.

Either that or M$ is gonna feel the heat and will have so many things to fix and improve they'll have to either spend plenty of cash on more coders or they just won't be able to keep up with more and more quality like this.

I might be over-enthusiastic but man do I evarrrrr love the irony of this.

06-11-2007, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by MacHeadCase

What a total gas!

Safari for Windoze! Just because of this, I don't agree with the title. I mean think about it: this is another foray into the Windoze world. This will only show to more Windoze users not sure they will switch that Apple software is cool! They'll never grab the fanboys but those that are curious will undoubtedly take a good long hard look at Safari.

The re might be some hidden integration for future features, I don't know at this point, but Safari can only take some market share from discontented IE users. Safari, combined with Firefox and other browsers, heck! IE will be going down in market share, I'm sure of this.

Either that or M$ is gonna feel the heat and will have so many things to fix and improve they'll have to either spend plenty of cash on more coders or they just won't be able to keep up with more and more quality like this.

I might be over-enthusiastic but man do I evarrrrr love the irony of this.

What does Safari offer that Firefox doesn't? In addition, Firefox has an enormous userbase behind it developing excellent plugins that Safari can't begin to touch (such as AdBlock Plus).

06-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Firefox has a clunky and inelegant interface. I just can't stand it. And sure, I can add themes but it seems to me the dev team could at least make a better interface.

06-11-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by MacHeadCase

What a total gas!

Safari for Windoze! Just because of this, I don't agree with the title. I mean think about it: this is another foray into the Windoze world for Apple. This will only show to more Windoze users not sure they will switch that Apple software is cool, better looking, more stable! They'll never grab the fanboys but those that are curious will undoubtedly take a good long hard look at Safari.

There might be some hidden integration for future features, I don't know at this point, but Safari can only take some market share from discontented IE users. Safari, combined with Firefox and other browsers, heck! IE will be going down in market share, I'm sure of this.

Either that or M$ is gonna feel the heat and will have so many things to fix and improve they'll have to either spend plenty of cash on more coders or they just won't be able to keep up with more and more quality like this.

I might be over-enthusiastic but man do I evarrrrr love the irony of this.

Meh... my first thought was "why?". The alternative browser market is already overrun with browsers and derivatives of browsers. Safari really doesn't stack up very well to its competitors - particularly Firefox and Opera. IE is already pretty weak in comparison, the only people still using it are those that simply aren't aware of alternatives, or are simply too lazy to switch to another browser. Why waste the programmer talent on Safari development for Windows?

06-11-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by cwa107

Meh... my first thought was "why?". The alternative browser market is already overrun with browsers and derivatives of browsers. Safari really doesn't stack up very well to its competitors - particularly Firefox and Opera. IE is already pretty weak in comparison, the only people still using it are those that simply aren't aware of alternatives, or are simply too lazy to switch to another browser. Why waste the programmer talent on Safari development for Windows?

I only use Safari on Mac because it's better than Firefox and Camino. On Windows, I only use Firefox. I would use Firefox on Mac if it had better performance.

@ MacHeadCase - it's okay, Firefox matches the Windows clunky & bloated interface

06-11-2007, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by cwa107

Meh... my first thought was "why?". The alternative browser market is already overrun with browsers and derivatives of browsers. Safari really doesn't stack up very well to its competitors - particularly Firefox and Opera. IE is already pretty weak in comparison, the only people still using it are those that simply aren't aware of alternatives, or are simply too lazy to switch to another browser. Why waste the programmer talent on Safari development for Windows?

As unfortunate at it may be, I agree with cwa107's conclusion here. Safari, while currently my preferred browser on the Mac (Firefox is just too annoying), is facing some stiff competition from Firefox on Windows. I agree that FF has a lousy looking interface, but that doesn't stop it from having the rabid user base that it does.

In the end, I think this is a cool thing for Apple to do, but I really wouldn't call it an exactly amazing "one more thing" moment.

06-11-2007, 03:02 PM

I honestly don't see the need or any appreciable benefit coming from it. The 78% of IE users are those who use the internet for such menial tasks that changing to another browser isn't necessary. Those who needed something better have already changed to Firefox of Opera and won't see any added benefit from Safari. It definitely won't have anywhere near the same Apple into Windows penetration as iTunes.

06-11-2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by kaidomac

I only use Safari on Mac because it's better than Firefox and Camino.

I'm not being facetious in asking this - in what way is Safari better aside from asthetics?

I've tried to find a reason to use Safari, but I don't like the way it handles RSS feeds (in comparison to Firefox), I'm not in love with the user interface (just a personal preference) It doesn't use it's own proxy settings (nor does it have the option to automatically detect proxies, since the system proxy settings that it uses doesn't have this option). Page rendering is slow (in my experience) compared to Firefox. The only compelling feature I can find is that it is more W3C compliant than Firefox. I don't mean to start a Firefox vs. Safari here, but I honestly WANT to like Safari, but it's just not wowing me. To be quite honest, since I discovered some of the rendering issues that Firefox has, I've been considering switching to Opera.