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See a lot of post about users not liking the Retina MBP? I thought this would be a sought out upgrade. While I would like the 17" model, the 15" retina offers more screen real-estate. As a amateur photographer. The retina displays are just amazing and something I would want if getting a MBP. Though I suspect pricing is the reason they dropped the 17" models in favor of 15". Perhaps when manufacturing cost on the displays drop they will re introduce a 17" model with retina display.

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Noticed the issue is more with the storage.. Yea.. Not supper thrilled about that either.. Much rather had a 1TB Samsung Revo in it and saved a ton of cash.
In the stores, with side-by-side comparison, the Retina screen was better. But I really don't notice the loss at home, and I still have a 27in monitor when I want screen real estate.

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Yep. For most of us it's entirely about having soldered in RAM and a non-standard SSD. If it had upgradable RAM and a standard, readily available from third parties SSD, we'd be all over it. It's a gorgeous machine, just, those two things are important to power users, and we're all feeling kind of ignored because of it.
Yea. that would make someone not want it. Upgradability is a big thing.

I dont understand why Apple wants to make their own SSD anyway. Samsung and Intel both make very reliable SSDs. At this point in time, any drive that can hit 500MB/s transfer rates is fast enough that the only thing that would notice it being faster is a benchmark tool.

I understand this reason to do this on the MBA series (ultra thin), they are affordable enough that one can live with say 4GB DRAM and say a 128GB SSD for the life of the computer. But MBP series is much more costly and users need to be able to keep those investments going until they have paid for themselves. This can mean the user will need some level of upgradability. Toting a external HDD around the size of the brick to store your files is not "upgradability" IMHO.

I understand CPU being fixed or soldered into the system board. But users always want to upgrade RAM and drive space at a later date. Just when MS was making users turn away from PCs with Win8. Apple does something like this to force them to go back to that mess..

Despite what Apple thinks the reason their computer market share has grown, its not what Apple has done, its what MS did wrong..

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Yea. that would make someone not want it. Upgradability is a big thing.

I dont understand why Apple wants to make their own SSD anyway. Samsung and Intel both make very reliable SSDs. At this point in time, any drive that can hit 500MB/s transfer rates is fast enough that the only thing that would notice it being faster is a benchmark tool.

I understand this reason to do this on the MBA series (ultra thin), they are affordable enough that one can live with say 4GB DRAM and say a 128GB SSD for the life of the computer. But MBP series is much more costly and users need to be able to keep those investments going until they have paid for themselves. This can mean the user will need some level of upgradability. Toting a external HDD around the size of the brick to store your files is not "upgradability" IMHO.

I understand CPU being fixed or soldered into the system board. But users always want to upgrade RAM and drive space at a later date. Just when MS was making users turn away from PCs with Win8. Apple does something like this to force them to go back to that mess..

Despite what Apple thinks the reason their computer market share has grown, its not what Apple has done, its what MS did wrong..

IMHO,
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Yeah, I doubt I would go back to Windows. It's been quite some time since I've had to use a Windows PC for more than a few minutes at a time (Probably close to 7 years now. I haven't had a Windows machine for personal use since 2006, and even then only to play CounterStrike.) I've tried every iteration since XP, and they've all left me feeling cold. I know my next computer will be a Mac, I'll just have to spend more up front on it.

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Yep. For most of us it's entirely about having soldered in RAM and a non-standard SSD. If it had upgradable RAM and a standard, readily available from third parties SSD, we'd be all over it. It's a gorgeous machine, just, those two things are important to power users, and we're all feeling kind of ignored because of it.
And no disk drive, and one switching aux in/out, and not having a graphics card standard now.... and the resolution being confusing, I mean its great for photography and supported apple aps but what else?
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Apple seem to be taking away CHOICE…..
Why would they do that? The beauty of using a machine/device is its flexibility - a MBP user myself.
So we now have non standard drives and and hard memory as well as no local syncing - only via iCloud.
They are beginning to paint themselves into a corner and divest themselves from a market that wants diversity in a device.
For the conspiracy theorists - perhaps the manufacturers have got together and now only provide what they want, not what the market wants, that's why people make and look for jailbreaks.
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I've been putting off buying one for quite awhile. I came across a 15" non ret at our Base Exchange (store on an Air Force base). It was a display model and the only one they had. I wasn't sure if I wanted a display model. That same day I found out that the non-retinas were discontinued. The next morning I went and purchased the display model and they knocked off 10%. I was a bit irritated that if I wanted 15" I would be forced to pay over $2000 and not be able to upgrade later if I choose. I'm not sold on the "everything soldered" idea yet, nor I'm I ready to move to a smaller size SSD for more money.
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I've been putting off buying one for quite awhile. I came across a 15" non ret at our Base Exchange (store on an Air Force base). It was a display model and the only one they had. I wasn't sure if I wanted a display model. That same day I found out that the non-retinas were discontinued. The next morning I went and purchased the display model and they knocked off 10%. I was a bit irritated that if I wanted 15" I would be forced to pay over $2000 and not be able to upgrade later if I choose. I'm not sold on the "everything soldered" idea yet, nor I'm I ready to move to a smaller size SSD for more money.
Your 15" will last you a nice long time and the dust will have settled on this new soldered/SSD/Retina thing by then. I love my 2012 15" MBP, very fast and a pleasure to work on - I'm sure you'll experience the same. On a side note, since it's a display model, why not take some edge off by getting AppleCare?
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Thanks. I'm looking forward to it, and yes I'll be picking up the Apple Care plan too.
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I feel very sad about this development, i upgrade my 2009 13' macbook pro to mac15' non retina last august and its 5 months old honestly i dont like the mbp15' retina, i am a music person i have a library of CD ones in a while ripped those that i often played and and then delete to ease the memory HD but with mbp retina i can no longer do it...
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I feel very sad about this development, i upgrade my 2009 13' macbook pro to mac15' non retina last august and its 5 months old honestly i dont like the mbp15' retina, i am a music person i have a library of CD ones in a while ripped those that i often played and and then delete to ease the memory HD but with mbp retina i can no longer do it...
Why not? All you need is a USB external CD/DVD drive, which can be had for as little as $30.

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Why not? All you need is a USB external CD/DVD drive, which can be had for as little as $30.
I agree and when it goes bad a heck of a lot cheaper than having the internal replaced.
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Update:

I'm really glad I went with the 15in 2012 MBP. Just installed a Crucial M500, 480GB SSD plus 16GB RAM.
I also picked up Caldigit's Thunderbolt Dock, so now one cable connection lets me use my MBP as a desktop computer. My 27in monitor and a 1TB external HD are permanently plugged into the Caldigit box.

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I also picked up Caldigit's Thunderbolt Dock, so now one cable connection lets me use my MBP as a desktop computer. My 27in monitor and a 1TB external HD are permanently plugged into the Caldigit box.
Pretty cool looking little box. A bit more expensive than I would like ($199)...but from what I'm reading..$100 less than a similar Belkin unit.

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Pretty cool looking little box. A bit more expensive than I would like ($199)...but from what I'm reading..$100 less than a similar Belkin unit.

- Nick
The $100 differential is nice, but what sold me on the Caldigit was the absence of negative reviews. I looked seriously at the competitors when they came out but saw far too many complaints for me to drop $300 on a docking station.

I've always wanted to be smart, handsome and modest. But, I guess I'll have to be satisfied with two out of three . . .
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