01-05-2011, 09:16 PM

Next intel chip series will have DRM sadly
Intel Builds Sandy Bridge With a DRM Tollbooth

01-05-2011, 09:47 PM

Sounds like a great opportunity for AMD to excel.

01-05-2011, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by chscag

Sounds like a great opportunity for AMD to excel.

I have been secretly been supporting them for years actually. >_>" Especially on my gaming rigs.

01-05-2011, 10:05 PM

Nice, wonder what Apple will do once they need new processors for their computer line.
Maybe an new Apple chip…

01-06-2011, 10:25 AM

I'm going to be keeping my eye on this.

I don't do anything illegal with my computers, anymore. Not in years, really.

However, I don't like software and hardware companies bullying their protection schemes onto me, like this. If it isn't to protect the consumer, I don't want it.

Remember the big stink caused by the built-in DRM in CDs? This is destined to failure. We'll see what happens beyond that, I guess. I know I won't be buying anything with this on it, though.

01-06-2011, 12:34 PM

I agree. And personally do not think it will be received very well by the knowledgeable consumer. I realize that copyright infringement is wide spread in some areas of the world (China, Thailand, Singapore, for example) but why burden the overwhelming majority of computer users who are honest?

If it comes to pass, Intel is going to receive bad press from the big Mag publishers and blog writers. The bad news is that Intel has a monopoly on the chip\cpu business and may not care.

01-06-2011, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by chscag

I agree. And personally do not think it will be received very well by the knowledgeable consumer. I realize that copyright infringement is wide spread in some areas of the world (China, Thailand, Singapore, for example) but why burden the overwhelming majority of computer users who are honest?

If it comes to pass, Intel is going to receive bad press from the big Mag publishers and blog writers. The bad news is that Intel has a monopoly on the chip\cpu business and may not care.

While I do agree with what you said. Someone could argue that it wouldn't effect the majority of computer users if they truly are honest.

01-06-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by chscag

...but why burden the overwhelming majority of computer users who are honest?

That's the thing companies don't understand about DRM. They are only frustrating the honest paying owners because many DRM can eventually be hacked. It only takes one person to figure it out and then everyone will know how to get around it so DRM doesn't really stop pirates it only annoys paying users.

For example the DRM Apple used to have on their iTunes music was very annoying. I wasn't able to play my music on all my portable devices especially if they were non-Apple products. The DRM wasn't preventing much illegal activities because the pirates knew how to get around the DRM protection. During that time I bought mostly music CDs because of the DRM but now that Apple has been allowed to drop DRM I buy a lot more music from iTunes.

If this DRM on Intel's Sandy Bridge turns out to be true then hopefully Apple will switch to AMD processors.

Originally Posted by CrimsonRequiem

Someone could argue that it wouldn't effect the majority of computer users if they truly are honest.

I don't think it's as clear-cut as that. My iTunes DRM is an example of this. The thing about DRM protection is that companies are limiting what you do based on how they feel it should be and not necessarily if it's illegal to do so. For example when iTunes had DRM playing my purchased music on my non-Apple device is not considered illegal but the DRM made it hard to do so. I've noticed that many times DRM only frustrates paying customers because pirates usually find a way around the issue anyway.

01-06-2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by chscag

I agree. And personally do not think it will be received very well by the knowledgeable consumer. I realize that copyright infringement is wide spread in some areas of the world (China, Thailand, Singapore, for example) but why burden the overwhelming majority of computer users who are honest?

If it comes to pass, Intel is going to receive bad press from the big Mag publishers and blog writers. The bad news is that Intel has a monopoly on the chip\cpu business and may not care.

I hope this is true. I love the intel Apple computes that I currently possess, but I have no loyalty to brands that try to be my big brother by essentially telling me what I may or may not do with items that I purchase.

Originally Posted by EndlessMac

That's the thing companies don't understand about DRM. They are only frustrating the honest paying owners because many DRM can eventually be hacked. It only takes one person to figure it out and then everyone will know how to get around it so DRM doesn't really stop pirates it only annoys paying users.

For example the DRM Apple used to have on their iTunes music was very annoying. I wasn't able to play my music on all my portable devices especially if they were non-Apple products. The DRM wasn't preventing much illegal activities because the pirates knew how to get around the DRM protection. During that time I bought mostly music CDs because of the DRM but now that Apple has been allowed to drop DRM I buy a lot more music from iTunes.

If this DRM on Intel's Sandy Bridge turns out to be true then hopefully Apple will switch to AMD processors.


I don't think it's as clear-cut as that. My iTunes DRM is an example of this. The thing about DRM protection is that companies are limiting what you do based on how they feel it should be and not necessarily if it's illegal to do so. For example when iTunes had DRM playing my purchased music on my non-Apple device is not considered illegal but the DRM made it hard to do so. I've noticed that many times DRM only frustrates paying customers because pirates usually find a way around the issue anyway.

I agree with everything you say. Especially the part with the iTunes DRM. I flat out refused to purchase any music from iTunes until recently. As for switching to AMD....YES. I've always enjoyed their products, and would definitely support this venture if Apple decided to get them aboard. Most of my old gaming rigs had AMD processors on them as I found them easier to work with and update.

01-06-2011, 07:09 PM

If this is true I will be avoiding it at all costs, and it has nothing to do with concern for the the content of my privacy as it does the principles behind it. This strongly reminds me of the 3rd party auto-gps function on google that was not able to be turned off (iirc) darn api.

DRM failed with CD's, and attempts to perpetuate it should (I'm crossing my fingers) fail too.

01-07-2011, 06:31 PM

Power to the people, down with the MPAA who are probably paying Intel a large sum of money to do this. Just an opinion nothing more.

01-08-2011, 11:03 AM

Sorry to sound a bit noobish, but what exactly will DRM stop people from, "copying," aside from the, "streaming videos," noted in the article? Is it only that for now? If that's all what the fuss is about, I could care less, because I don't copy, "streaming," videos. However, youtube videos are good. If this is a start to apply even more copy right protection and authorization requirements to more things to come, then I would have to say, "kiss my rear to intel," and, "HELLO AMD!"

01-08-2011, 02:36 PM

It's not about copy protection -- but even if it was, you should be able to copy that which you buy in order to consume it on your medium of choice -- but rather about excluding people who don't have the magic chip.

It's a little like saying, "Okay, you can eat, but only if you sit at my table. And if you won't, well you can just find another source of food." And that would be okay IF other sources will continue to be available, which is unlikely to remain the case going forward for two reasons.

Firstly, this whole marriage with Intel is of the MPAA's making, so they're going to do their level best to ensure that all online video content utilizes this filter. And secondly, online video content is the future of video consumption. Yeah, having DVDs or Blu-ray discs are great, but they're bulky, inconvenient, degrade over time, expensive (relatively) to manufacture and distribute, and more. Streaming content is the future, and this is Intel facilitating control of that future.

01-08-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Shikarnov

It's not about copy protection -- but even if it was, you should be able to copy that which you buy in order to consume it on your medium of choice -- but rather about excluding people who don't have the magic chip.

Almost sounds like a sales ploy. Maybe Intel thinks there is more money in sucking up to the RIAA and MPAA than there is in giving the consumers choice. This is something many will not rush into but there is still a buck to made somewhere.

01-08-2011, 06:35 PM

^ I'm sure you're right that there's money changing hands. I just hope there are enough informed buyers out there to make Intel's decision painful enough to reverse course.