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Publishers react to Steve Jobs' opposition to Flash
Publishers react to Steve Jobs' opposition to Flash | MacNN

It seems a lot of peopel call what Steve said as "flash bashing" and they don't like it.
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I'm with Steve on this one. Flash is garbage and there are many other technologies that can be used to deliver content including ebooks. Until Adobe changes their development approach to give OS X some sorely needed attention, this is never going to change. Adobe needs to stop relying on the laurels of the past and pervasiveness as an argument for a product that desperately needs to be fixed.

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"Steve is not addressing the fact that the web world is a plethora of mostly inexperienced scaffolding and experimental jumble fused together as an overnight crunch to satisfy demanding clientelle," said a freelance designer. "Not everyone has a team of experts working full-time to adhere to the perfection which Mr. Mac's of engineers offer..."
I'm sorry but if you want to sell a product in a digital store and you want it done well, you hire professionals. There is no reason that a newspaper or magazine company can't hire a team to create the digital copy.

I think we all know how this is going to play out - publishers are going to complain that the device doesn't meet their needs (reliable Flash build), the device will sell well and the publishers will come back by changing their approach.

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With the fact that all that did not pre-order they will have to wait till April 12 a lot of people got caught by surprise and if they want their content on it change is inevitable.
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I agree with you 100%!! People complained just as much, and claimed that Apple was going to make the biggest mistake ever by dropping floppy disks…you all know how that turned out! I hate flash, not because Steve is against it, but because it always ticks me off how almost everyone can run stupid flash images/videos to advertise! And now, it just seems that they are EVERYWHERE!! I can't wait for the day when flash is dead and html5 is the new standard.
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I wasn't a big fan of Flash on Windows either and it is worst on the Mac side so I welcome the end of Flash. The change is going slower than I had hoped though. The only way for us to make the change away from Flash is to make a forced effort such as what Steve Jobs is doing by not including Flash support.
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Down with Flash, I say.
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iPad sales may force their hand or be left behind.
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The iPad will sell, just like the iPhone and iPod touch have sold. No, it's Adobe who's losing here, and it's absolutely delicious to me. (Begin crazy old lady rantings) In the good old days, Adobe loved Apple, but it seems like in the late 90s and early 2000s, they became Windows shills because it was in fashion, even though most of their sales came from Macintosh users. And the sad part is that it's not just Flash... it's Adobe's entire lineup.

Adobe's products, while comprehensive are not the quality that they used to be on Macintosh, while the Windows versions are always tip-top, while it used to be that pride was taken in both releases. I guess those days are over, since they can be like everybody else and treat Mac users like crumbs. I'm betting that they're still sore over iMovie and Final Cut Pro coming along and slitting the throat of their sales of Premiere... which I hated using anyway.

Despite the decline in quality, it's because of that bad-old stigma of "using unprofessional software" nobody will vote with their pocketbooks and support software that could just as easily beat The Shop at its own game. That, I think is what makes me sad. Entire industries have locked themselves in because of mindset, thus requiring mega-expensive, poor-quality software be purchased.

Why do so few people try to make a comprehensive image processing application that can compete with the Shop? Because they know that nobody would buy it anyway. Professionals have this idea in their head that if it's not Photoshop, you can't use it or people will laugh at you and kill your dog.

And to top it all off, Adobe is arrogant. They got to the top by selling a good product to people who used the Macintosh. Now they're just reaming you because they have you as a captive audience.
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The iPad will sell, just like the iPhone and iPod touch have sold. No, it's Adobe who's losing here, and it's absolutely delicious to me. (Begin crazy old lady rantings) In the good old days, Adobe loved Apple, but it seems like in the late 90s and early 2000s, they became Windows shills because it was in fashion, even though most of their sales came from Macintosh users. And the sad part is that it's not just Flash... it's Adobe's entire lineup.

Adobe's products, while comprehensive are not the quality that they used to be on Macintosh, while the Windows versions are always tip-top, while it used to be that pride was taken in both releases. I guess those days are over, since they can be like everybody else and treat Mac users like crumbs. I'm betting that they're still sore over iMovie and Final Cut Pro coming along and slitting the throat of their sales of Premiere... which I hated using anyway.

Despite the decline in quality, it's because of that bad-old stigma of "using unprofessional software" nobody will vote with their pocketbooks and support software that could just as easily beat The Shop at its own game. That, I think is what makes me sad. Entire industries have locked themselves in because of mindset, thus requiring mega-expensive, poor-quality software be purchased.

Why do so few people try to make a comprehensive image processing application that can compete with the Shop? Because they know that nobody would buy it anyway. Professionals have this idea in their head that if it's not Photoshop, you can't use it or people will laugh at you and kill your dog.

And to top it all off, Adobe is arrogant. They got to the top by selling a good product to people who used the Macintosh. Now they're just reaming you because they have you as a captive audience.
Well said! +Rep!


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The iPad will sell, just like the iPhone and iPod touch have sold. No, it's Adobe who's losing here, and it's absolutely delicious to me. (Begin crazy old lady rantings) In the good old days, Adobe loved Apple, but it seems like in the late 90s and early 2000s, they became Windows shills because it was in fashion, even though most of their sales came from Macintosh users. And the sad part is that it's not just Flash... it's Adobe's entire lineup.

Adobe's products, while comprehensive are not the quality that they used to be on Macintosh, while the Windows versions are always tip-top, while it used to be that pride was taken in both releases. I guess those days are over, since they can be like everybody else and treat Mac users like crumbs. I'm betting that they're still sore over iMovie and Final Cut Pro coming along and slitting the throat of their sales of Premiere... which I hated using anyway.

Despite the decline in quality, it's because of that bad-old stigma of "using unprofessional software" nobody will vote with their pocketbooks and support software that could just as easily beat The Shop at its own game. That, I think is what makes me sad. Entire industries have locked themselves in because of mindset, thus requiring mega-expensive, poor-quality software be purchased.

Why do so few people try to make a comprehensive image processing application that can compete with the Shop? Because they know that nobody would buy it anyway. Professionals have this idea in their head that if it's not Photoshop, you can't use it or people will laugh at you and kill your dog.

And to top it all off, Adobe is arrogant. They got to the top by selling a good product to people who used the Macintosh. Now they're just reaming you because they have you as a captive audience.
well said +2
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I haven't got that big a problem with Flash ... but (like Steve) I have a *huge* problem with Flash *on the Mac.*
To be fair, you are right. Flash isn't as terrible on Windows as Windows is the priority in Flash design. OS X in many ways is an afterthought. Even Linux got preferential treatment getting the first 64-bit build of Flash and if marketshare is the determining factor in priority (I assume this is the reason that Windows gets the better builds), why does OS X get bad builds when it has a much larger marketshare than Linux on the desktop?

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The iPad will sell, just like the iPhone and iPod touch have sold. No, it's Adobe who's losing here, and it's absolutely delicious to me. (Begin crazy old lady rantings) In the good old days, Adobe loved Apple, but it seems like in the late 90s and early 2000s, they became Windows shills because it was in fashion, even though most of their sales came from Macintosh users. And the sad part is that it's not just Flash... it's Adobe's entire lineup.

Adobe's products, while comprehensive are not the quality that they used to be on Macintosh, while the Windows versions are always tip-top, while it used to be that pride was taken in both releases. I guess those days are over, since they can be like everybody else and treat Mac users like crumbs. I'm betting that they're still sore over iMovie and Final Cut Pro coming along and slitting the throat of their sales of Premiere... which I hated using anyway.

Despite the decline in quality, it's because of that bad-old stigma of "using unprofessional software" nobody will vote with their pocketbooks and support software that could just as easily beat The Shop at its own game. That, I think is what makes me sad. Entire industries have locked themselves in because of mindset, thus requiring mega-expensive, poor-quality software be purchased.

Why do so few people try to make a comprehensive image processing application that can compete with the Shop? Because they know that nobody would buy it anyway. Professionals have this idea in their head that if it's not Photoshop, you can't use it or people will laugh at you and kill your dog.

And to top it all off, Adobe is arrogant. They got to the top by selling a good product to people who used the Macintosh. Now they're just reaming you because they have you as a captive audience.

+4 but did you really say " kill your dog " ? LOL

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Most people tey to keep their customers happy so they get more sales. But not Adobe. Apple users are many many of Adobe's customers. And Adobe does not keep us happy. They only guilt us into using their photoshop. If there was a better alternative made tomorrow, I'd ditch photoshop in a flash. (haha flash joke I know.)

I'm surprised Apple has not come up wth their own solution. They have Final Cut for video, Logic Pro for music, iwork for officework, etc etc. I'm not sure if Aperture is an suitable replacement for Photoshop. I've never used Aperture. But from what I've read, it is not.

I think Apple has a goldmine here. To make a photoshop killing App. Release it for OS X and windows. And price it right and I think it'll beat Photoshop. People are sick of adobe and their treatment of their Apple customers. We are looking for a way to ditch Adobe totally. And whoever makes that way will win.
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I'm surprised Apple has not come up wth their own solution. They have Final Cut for video, Logic Pro for music, iwork for officework, etc etc. I'm not sure if Aperture is an suitable replacement for Photoshop. I've never used Aperture. But from what I've read, it is not.

I think Apple has a goldmine here. To make a photoshop killing App. Release it for OS X and windows. And price it right and I think it'll beat Photoshop. People are sick of adobe and their treatment of their Apple customers. We are looking for a way to ditch Adobe totally. And whoever makes that way will win.
Apple recognizes that the vast majority of its users just want basic photo editing, which you can get with iPhoto. Aperture offers some more photo editing features for professionals, but it certainly is no Photoshop.

If Apple were truly interested in competing against Adobe, all it would have to do is buy up Pixelmator and slap an Apple sticker on it. It's a very capable alternative and looks very much like a typical Apple application, so it would fit in nicely with the Apple lineup.


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