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    Finally after all the rumors we finally have it! Our very own iTunes Music Store. Wow, what a great day to be Canadian.

    See for yourself:
    http://www.apple.com/ca/itunes/

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    we in india dont, this is wrong!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_New_guy
    we in india dont, this is wrong!!!
    :ninja: :mad: :radioacti
    Its all about demand & supply :miner:

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    iTunes music store in canada=awesome.

    sorry i have to go person from india, i have many things to do on my itunes music store....like download things....and stuff.


    ........awesome

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    Right on. I still wont pay for music online though

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    wow how come you guys have to pay $2000 for the imac i got for 1000 ??????
    eveything is double in price than that in the uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danster
    wow how come you guys have to pay $2000 for the imac i got for 1000 ??????
    eveything is double in price than that in the uk
    Well the fact is that there is little thing called the exchange rate.
    .84CAN/1.00US

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    The UK didn't join the "Euro Zone" with the Continent, so...you guys get screwed.

    Canada gets songs at CN$0.99...which is cheaper than the US (US$.99) or anywhere else, for that matter. I wonder how (and why) Apple managed to arrange that with the record companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danster
    wow how come you guys have to pay $2000 for the imac i got for 1000 ??????
    eveything is double in price than that in the uk
    My iMac from the UK store says about 1138 lbs (not sure what the VAT adds on) which is 2380 in USD which is 400 more than I paid in the US so you aren't getting a discount at all
    Don't forget to use the new User Reputation System

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    I do not know what your taxes are. In Canada tax is around 13-16% per purchase. The only place in the country that does not have sales tax is Alberta, but that is only because of the oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer
    Finally after all the rumors we finally have it! Our very own iTunes Music Store. Wow, what a great day to be Canadian.

    See for yourself:
    http://www.apple.com/ca/itunes/
    And just what day is it that is not a good day to be Canadian?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by technologist
    The UK didn't join the "Euro Zone" with the Continent, so...you guys get screwed.

    Canada gets songs at CN$0.99...which is cheaper than the US (US$.99) or anywhere else, for that matter. I wonder how (and why) Apple managed to arrange that with the record companies.
    Simple. They just figure out the highest price people are willing to pay, that will also maximize their profits. If a CD costs $20 here, it will cost $20 in the U.S as well. Of course, if your currency is worth a lot, you get screwed into paying more. It's not like with computers that only charge one price, and then charge about half that in the UK. The record companies would have wanted to charge more, but if they did, everyone in Canada would be like, "No way!"
    because:
    1) We have alternatives like Puretracks, Napster and Rhapsody that only charge about a dollar, maybe a little more, even though they're PC only
    2) We don't have insane copyright laws, and we respect our citizens' privacy, which makes downloading music safe and legal

    However, as we all know, the marketing department of the music industry is full of morons. They ignored the most important rule of marketing: If your sales are down, you don't raise your prices, you lower them. Do they seriously think that because they're threatening and bullying their consumers with scare tactics and guilt-trip propaganda, and warping the minds of young kids, they can charge whatever they want? We're not as dumb as they think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaun89
    Right on. I still wont pay for music online though
    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer
    Finally after all the rumors we finally have it! Our very own iTunes Music Store. Wow, what a great day to be Canadian.

    See for yourself:
    http://www.apple.com/ca/itunes/
    It is not! The iTunes Music Store Sucks! I mean sure, you're able to pick and choose the songs you want instead of buying the whole album, and even if you do buy the whole album on iTunes, it's cheaper than the CD. However, it's a major ripoff because:
    1)There is no CD with a case and illustrations. Sure, you can print out the album art to make a cover, but it's not the same as opening the CD case, seeing tons of photos, reading the lyrics, band bios, etc. And at least with CD's, tapes or vinyl, you have a physical object of value which you can proudly display in your home. If all you have are a bunch of CD-R's with flimsy paper covers, and a handmade label or a title scrawled on the top, it's going to look pretty pathetic compared to an actual CD collection.

    2)The songs available on the iTunes Music Store are not of a very good sound quality. And contrary to what they may have told you, they actually sound WORSE than MP3's obtained through P2P filesharing programs. Apple claims that the songs offered through iTunes are AAC files, all encoded at 128 kbps, which, thanks to more efficient compression, are equal in sound quality to MP3 files encoded at 192 kbps. What they didn't tell you, however, is that the bit rate is only one factor in determining the quality of the song. You also need a good sample rate, equalizer setting, and finally, it all depends on the software you're using. In either case, some of the MP3's on my computer are of high bit rates (160, 192, some even more than 200), but most of them are encoded at 128 kbps, and surprize surprize, they actually sound better than the songs on the iTunes Music Store. Apple also claims that the 30-second previews you can listen to before purchasing a song are of the same fidelity as the actual songs themselves. The previews sound like crap, so I'm putting my money where my mouth is. The truth is, any kind of encoding can sound good, but if you don't know what you're doing, it doesn't matter if you import it as MP3 or WAV. It's going to suck. MP3 may be an inferior compressor, but if you have a knack for equalizer settings and digital audio editing and a little bit of patience and good ears, it can sound better than anything the iTunes Music Store has to offer. In fact, someone I met on another forum claims that he imported his CD's to his computer in MP3 format, remixed them, and burned them to a CD, and his new CD made from MP3 versions of lossless audio tracks actually sounded better than the original album.

    3)All the songs are encrypted with DRM, which is an infringement of consumer freedoms and fair use. It's really nothing to worry about, because it can be removed using HYMN, just like how Copy Control on CD's can be cracked. So basically it doesn't work unless you're computer illiterate. The point is, unless you have the tools and the knowhow, you can't convert Apple's AAC files to MP3. So if you want to burn an MP3 disk, or if you have an MP3 player that can't play anything but MP3 files, you're completely screwed. If you buy a CD that doesn't have Copy Control (which is starting to die off because of complaints that protected CD's don't work in many CD players), it's no problem ripping it to your computer in any format you like, transferring it to your MP3 player, and even sharing it over a P2P program if you choose.

    4)The selection is pathetic. As you may have noticed, there are no Metallica tracks available, apparently because Lar$ and the boys are completely paranoid of their music being available on the internet, even if they get paid for it (although I can't see what the big deal is, they only get about 10 cents a song anyway). This is just stupid. First of all, if people want to download their music, they will, and because of Alcohollica's arrogance, they'll just download it for free instead. And secondly, if people buy downloads instead of CD's, it will actually be harder for them to share it over Kazaa or something than if they bought the CD's, because when you import a CD track, there is no DRM to prevent it from being copied to another computer. But enough about them, I don't really like Metallica. The selection is bad enough in the US and other countries. The least they could do is give us the same catalogue. Instead, we are only given access to 700 thousand of the one million tracks offered on the US store. This doesn't make sense to me; do they have to use separate servers for each national store? Anyway, I can't even find any Iron Maiden tracks on the Canadian store, but the US store is full of them (except for some reason, they don't have the full Powerslave album). If they don't have the music I like, they've lost me as a customer. Whether you buy music from stores, online CD stores, or download it for free, it is very easy to find what you're looking for.

    5)You're not guaranteed any kind of secure investment. At least when you buy an album, new or used, you have the disk or cassette in your hand. Everything you paid for is stored safely on a tangible medium, which you can easily back up to your computer, another disk or cassette, if you choose. The odds of ruining your cassettes or scratching your CD's are very slim, as long as you're careful with them, because CD's and cassettes are very versatile and durable. Mac OS X is also very durable, so we don't have to worry about crashes, viruses, etc. But since the iTunes Music Store is also available on Windows, it's easy for them to buy a bunch of songs, and then suddenly their CD burner stops working, or they get a virus and lose everything before they have a chance to make a backup. At least with free filesharing, if you lose all your music to a virus attack, it's no big deal since you never paid a cent for it, and you can easily start your collection over. But who cares about Windows users, right?

    Anyway, these are all reasons why I continue to reject the iTunes Music Store and its competitors, and I encourage others to do the same. If you don't live in Canada, and you want good music legitimately without supporting the RIAA, buy used CD's. They're easier to find, they're cheaper, they come with illustrations, they will always sound better than a burned iTunes album, and you can always use iTunes to rip it to your computer in any encoding you like, make a backup copy, transfer it to your iPod, or edit it to achieve better sound quality. And you don't have to deal with any restrictions on how you use it.

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