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    Question Should i format my MacBook?
    Hello once again.

    I've already got my new RAM . But to be honest, i still kind of don't feel to much diference, although i need to open more big apps at the same time. When i say big, i mean that "eat" a lot of ram.

    Anyway, my big question is: I have backups from TimeMachine. After a format... should i used them? My afraid is having the same troubles that i have now. Or TimeMachine only restore you're data and old configures? Or does it bring all the other stuff to? xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichi View Post
    Hello once again.

    I've already got my new RAM . But to be honest, i still kind of don't feel to much diference, although i need to open more big apps at the same time. When i say big, i mean that "eat" a lot of ram.
    Too many folks think that upgrading their computers ram is automatically going to speed it up...when it really depends on what you're doing with your computer.

    I looked at your old threads...and it looks like your MacBook had 2 gig of ram...and you were thinking of upgrading to 4gig. In that thread it really didn't sound like you were doing anything that tremendously challenging on your computer requiring 4 gig of ram. So this is probably why the ram upgrade doesn't make your computer "feel" much different.

    I have 2 gig of ram in my MacBook Pro...and for the things that I do...2 gig does just fine.

    You mentioned "opening more big apps at the same time". If this is the case...then 4 gig of ram will definitely help. Reinstall your original 2 gig of ram...then open all those "big apps" at the same time...and you may see a big difference (slowdown).

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    i know that, and i do use a lot of big apps. I need for my University. Adobe Ilustrator, Adobe Photoshop, Flash, DreamWeaver, all from CS4. Premiere, etc.
    Also, netbeans, jdownloader, i know all that. I wasn't expecting a huge diferrence... but i want it more ... compact. Don't know how to explain. Anyway, can you answer my question about TimeMachine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichi View Post
    i know that, and i do use a lot of big apps.
    If you know this...then why did you say this in your original post..."I've already got my new RAM . But to be honest, i still kind of don't feel to much diference...

    If you know this...then why even make that statement? I'm just trying to help.

    In your original post you mentioned "having the same troubles that i have now".

    What troubles are you having?

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    Well, i just said that cuz, i did open the apps all the time... and i didn't feel a much of a difference. Although it's psychological, lol. Well, i recently had, for at least, 3 times, the mistake where my macbook from nowhere freezes and kind of gives a fatal error, that i have to turn off in the shutdown button. It kind of make me unsafe. And i realized that it happend when i do have to much open stuff at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichi View Post
    Well, i recently had, for at least, 3 times, the mistake where my macbook from nowhere freezes and kind of gives a fatal error, that i have to turn off in the shutdown button. It kind of make me unsafe. And i realized that it happend when i do have to much open stuff at the same time.
    Did this happen before and after the ram upgrade...or only after the ram upgrade?

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    lol, only before, at least until now....not having any trouble. But i just put the RAM at 3 hours ago, i guess... Still, i would like to know if i format my macbook... shoulde i use the backup from TimeMachine? Or that will make my computer exactly the same as before?

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    Oy!! using time machine will restore your system to a point that is before you restored the system....hence the name time machine, you are going back in time usually to your last time machine back up. it is not a fresh install of the operating system.

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    I see, so basically, if i want a "fresh" restart, i shouldn't use TimeMachine after i format, right? For example: Let's imagine that i have my permissions all messed up in my hdd... If i do a backup from TimeMachine after i format i would get all that permissions messed up again, right?

    I'm saying permissions, but i could be talking about fragmentation and similar processes of HDD. I don't know if i'm making myself clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichi View Post
    I see, so basically, if i want a "fresh" restart, i shouldn't use TimeMachine after i format, right? For example: Let's imagine that i have my permissions all messed up in my hdd... If i do a backup from TimeMachine after i format i would get all that permissions messed up again, right?

    I'm saying permissions, but i could be talking about fragmentation and similar processes of HDD. I don't know if i'm making myself clear.
    I think that the issue here is we (or at least I) don't have a clear idea of what sort of problems your MacBook is having.

    A fresh install of the OS may or may not fix the problem. Go ahead & do a fresh OS install...since if a fresh OS install doesn't fix the problem...we can cross that off the list of things to try.

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    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
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    this is getting a little confusing..... a fresh install makes the computer act like it came out of the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G4 ibookboy View Post
    this is getting a little confusing..... a fresh install makes the computer act like it came out of the box.
    Not necessarily. A fresh install of the OS simply replaces the OS currently on the computer...and it also depends on what OS install disk is used.

    If (for example) a computer originally shipped with a version of 10.4 (MacBook)...and if an OS 10.6 disk is used to do the fresh OS install...then 10.6 will be installed...which is not like it just came out of the box (since this computer originally shipped with 10.4).

    And since a fresh OS install does not touch the already installed applications...such as games, Microsoft apps. Adobe apps....again this would not be like it just came out of the box.

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    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
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    Lol, Ok. I'll try to explain one more time (probably i'm not making myself to clear, and i apologize for that).

    I don't have exactly any problems with my Mac, except that fatal error that happen at least 3 times.. I just want my Mac faster, fresher, quickly at shutting down and turning up. like it was before.

    ie: When you don't format a pc, even a Mac, your HDD will get slower, cuz you probably never desfragmented it before or you are a guy that change permissions, or do some mistakes in some stupid installation of an app.

    I want it like before. The reason i bought RAM was only to be able to have more big ram-consumers software running at the same time. Now, i want to be able to enjoy this opportunity to have a more optimize Mac. That's all, lol.

    Now, the only thing that i'm asking for is: If i decide to format my HDD and use the backups from TimeMachine will my HDD get slower just like before?

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    well you could try running oynx, but if its working good, why change it you may just be looking for problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichi View Post
    ie: When you don't format a pc, even a Mac, your HDD will get slower, cuz you probably never desfragmented it before or you are a guy that change permissions, or do some mistakes in some stupid installation of an app.
    From what I have read, any Mac running OS X 10.2 or later does not ever need to be defragmented because of how the file system is designed to work. (If I am wrong I apologize, but I have seen it many times so I'm fairly sure that's accurate) They are not a Windows OS, not designed the same way, and not susceptible to the same maintenance problems of Windows. They also don't have a registry like Windows. So things don't necessarily get cluttered up from botched installs/uninstalls, though it is possible in some cases.

    Reformatting and reinstalling might restore a little "zip" right after it's done. But naturally if you fill your computer up with files and programs, it's going to add more things to the file system, and there's always a chance if you're getting too full or something, that it could reduce performance a little.

    Macs don't have any virus', they don't require the same sort of maintenance that Windows does (ie. defragmenting) so it's really not an easy answer without knowing what is in your Time Machine backup, or how full your drive will be. If you fill the computer, it's going to get slower over time. Not from fragmentation in the case of a Mac. But think of it like this. The reason computers feel "zippier" when they are empty after a fresh install, is because there is nothing for them to dig through. Say you add 10,000 files. It now has to dig through them. They do it so fast, it's not really noticeable. But every file you add, adds to that. Eventually when you get 85%, 95%, etc. full, it gets slower.

    I'm not an expert, and naturally I have no idea how full or empty your drive is. All I am trying to say is, I know for sure, from reading on both this forum and others, defragmenting is not only not necessary, but not recommended for Macs. So if you're thinking of reformating, don't do it based soley on that Windows mindset alone Spend that energy instead, as pigoo said, investigating more likely causes of your problem. People here will help you
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