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Hi all,
I should say that first off I'm a long time mac fan, but I've always used PCs. Anyway, I was at a friends last night and he had a G4 and G3 sitting in an empty room unused...he said he uses the G4 but I could have the G3, so I took it.

The specs on the sticker on the back read 300MHz, 64 megs of ram, and an 8 gig hdd. I've a few general questions.

What OS would run well? I have a copy of OS 10.3 around somewhere. I plan on adding ram so any OS I put on it will run better.

What kind of ram does it take? The sticker says SD ram, will regular PC100 or 133 work? I'm assuming no becuase it is a mac and probably needs something special.

How big of an HDD would work? I have a western digital 80 gigger laying around somewhere (IDE). Will this work?

What is the name of the socket on the video card? I know it's not VGA and requres a converter...it has two rows of maybe 10 to 12 pins, whereas VGA has 3 rows of pins. I need to get a converter to hook it up to a VGA monitor I have.

I don't plan on using this computer much, just something to play around with for net surfing and music.

Thanks guys!
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yes, the IDE will work.
yes, PC100 or 133 will work too.
i had 10.3 on mine, ran fine.
not sure on the name of the socket.

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Thanks seven. Could the socket be the ADC one? I'm not sure...I know it's not VGA.
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I take it that it's a Blue and white G3. They had a great design. :p Found this which is the technical specs on that model:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58226

I found this as well which has lots of upgrade info:

http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/m...-g3-blue-white

If you install a larger harddrive then you may need to partition the first 7 gigs and install the system into that. I remember having to do that with my iMac 333mhz. Anyway you can find information about that in the read me file on the install disk. Have fun. :cool:
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I think it's an Apple display connector or something like that; you may be right. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think this was just a powered VGA connector but is obviously incompatible with standard VGA monitors and cables. You will need an adapter or you can always just upgrade your video card. I have a PCI ATi Rage 128 out of a G3 I can sell you but it's nothing fancy. It does have a VGA port but seeing that your video card is different than the stock one it's probably been upgraded so going with a Rage 128 would be a downgrade for you. What OS is running right now?

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If it's a ADC connector then you can get an adaptor for either DVI or VGA. Here is what's available at the apple store.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...tn.x=0&btn.y=0
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Is your G3 a Blue & White tower or a Beige desktop system? All the Blue & White G3 I have ever worked with had a VGA connector. If it's one of the older Beige models it might be the old Apple DB-15 plug. There are adapters avalible for it to VGA but you would be better off replacing the video card.
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It's a blue and white tower and I've been told by a friend thats its a "mac VGA" connector. I'll need to find an adaptor I suppose.
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Sorry for the sparse responses guys, but I'm at work and had limited time to respond. Anyway, this is the adaptor I believe I need.

http://www.clubmac.com/clubmac/shop/...dpno~29465.asp

My plug on my video card socket is a female version on the left of the picture.

Mr. Bobbins - I'm a bit confused. The sticker on the back says 300 Mhz, yet the first link says it came in a minimum of 350 MHz. The second link said they came in a minimum of 300Mhz, yet came out in January of 1999 while mine is dated 1998. Could it be because the second link is a UK site and they werent released in the UK until January of 1999? (I live in the states)

Dtravis - my tower is blue and white and it has a DB15 port, so not only the beige ones came with it . I'll get some pics up later.
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All G3 B&W sold to the public had a Stock VGA connector. What you have is a 300Mhz G3 B&W that was sold to the education market. That is the only B&W to have that DB-15 Video. You will want to upgrade that card. It's quite slow and has very little VRam. I own one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh
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I may upgrade it, but I'll have a hard time bringing myself to spend money on a new video card on an eight year old computer. I have the access to lots of ram for free, but not a new video card.

What kind of video card does it take? AGP, PCI? Are video cards PC/Mac specific?
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The B&W uses a Apple PCI slot for the stock video. You can get a 16 Meg Apple ATI card for not much on Ebay. Mac video cards use a apple rom. You can get a PC card and flash it though. Since there are the stock PCI slots, any Apple PCI card will work, but that one slot that looks like a PCI slot backwards is for the Apple ATI Rage card. I got one on ebay for next to nothing and it made a large difference.

I had forgotten about the Educational B&W with that ATI card with the DB-15. Been a while. Does your card also have DIN jacks next to the DB15? If so those are for Video capture!

Here is one of the cards for the B&W. Quite cheep.

http://cgi.ebay.com/APPLE-ATI-RAGE-1...QQcmdZViewItem
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Here are some pics for you guys to figure out what I have!! LOL



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I just read somewhere you can put a G4 in a G3....how true is this? Whats the max speed G4 I could put in my G3?
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http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonne...logy/EG45001M/

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Sonne...gy/EG410001MU/

There are two of them. They are not cheep but really would give it a boost in performance.

Your B&W is just like mine, the education model with the ATI with Video capture. I have the plugs that plug into the din plugs for Video Out and in. I had forgotten all about that card.
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