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    G4 PowerPC Startup

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    G4 PowerPC Startup
    Hello,
    I have a start up problem with my mirror front G4 867 Power PC.
    When I start up; after about 20 seconds the fan in the door runs like mad.
    The screen shows the Apple and the revolving Sun/Flower. This goes on for a short while and then the unit shuts down.
    I've replaced the PRAM battery, reset the PRAM and the PMU.

    Any ideas please?

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    G4 PowerPC Startup
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    Do you still have your original startup - recovery disk that came with your G4? If you do, try starting the machine with that instead. Hold down the C key as soon as you hear the startup sound. It's hard to tell from what's happening but it's possible the hard drive may have died.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desh View Post
    Hello,
    I have a start up problem with my mirror front G4 867 Power PC.
    When I start up; after about 20 seconds the fan in the door runs like mad.
    The screen shows the Apple and the revolving Sun/Flower. This goes on for a short while and then the unit shuts down.
    I've replaced the PRAM battery, reset the PRAM and the PMU.

    Any ideas please?
    Is this a computer you just got (new to you)...or have you owned it for a long time & the problem just started?

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Do you still have your original startup - recovery disk that came with your G4? If you do, try starting the machine with that instead. Hold down the C key as soon as you hear the startup sound. It's hard to tell from what's happening but it's possible the hard drive may have died.
    I have software restore 1 to 4 and Install 1 and 2 but no startup disc

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Is this a computer you just got (new to you)...or have you owned it for a long time & the problem just started?

    - Nick
    the latter Nick

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by chscag View Post
    Do you still have your original startup - recovery disk that came with your G4? If you do, try starting the machine with that instead. Hold down the C key as soon as you hear the startup sound. It's hard to tell from what's happening but it's possible the hard drive may have died.
    I also have Apple hardware test

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    Since this computer is not "new to you"...when was the last time it worked properly?...and between the last time it was working properly & when the fan problem started...were you getting any warning signs of a problem?

    The fan problem is usually due to a hardware issue/hardware failure. Or did you install anything new or different recently (hard drive, ram, optical drive, etc.)?

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    If the discs came with the computer, pop in disc one, reboot and hold down 'C' and see if you can enter Utilities > Disk utility and run Repair Disk to check the state of the drive. if no joy run Apple Hardware Test. Keep us posted.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Since this computer is not "new to you"...when was the last time it worked properly?...and between the last time it was working properly & when the fan problem started...were you getting any warning signs of a problem?

    The fan problem is usually due to a hardware issue/hardware failure. Or did you install anything new or different recently (hard drive, ram, optical drive, etc.)?

    - Nick
    Well, I had a long period where it wasn't used much , maybe a year.
    I added an extra hard drive inside; a Lacie that I was using as an external initially.
    But it worked fine .
    I had a problem with a Digidesign Mbox that died on me. Perhaps that has something to do with it.

    What if I isolate the hard drives, one at a time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desh View Post

    What if I isolate the hard drives, one at a time?
    Any troubleshoting ideas you can try the better. And the simpler things can be made (fewer devices internally or externally) the better for narrowing things down.

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
    - Apple Battery Info. Battery

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigoo3 View Post
    Since this computer is not "new to you"...when was the last time it worked properly?...and between the last time it was working properly & when the fan problem started...were you getting any warning signs of a problem?

    The fan problem is usually due to a hardware issue/hardware failure. Or did you install anything new or different recently (hard drive, ram, optical drive, etc.)?

    - Nick
    Quote Originally Posted by harryb2448 View Post
    If the discs came with the computer, pop in disc one, reboot and hold down 'C' and see if you can enter Utilities > Disk utility and run Repair Disk to check the state of the drive. if no joy run Apple Hardware Test. Keep us posted.
    I ran the hardware test and got error code post/16/2048DIMMO/J21

    So I removed the memory module and ran the short test (can't do the long one as it shuts down part way through) and everything checks out

    Same thing; fan still runs and shuts down although front light 'pulses'

    I can manage to boot to normal screen for seconds; then it all shuts down.

    Might be an idea to remove things one by one? as I just mentioned to Nick

    thanks

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    I ran another short hardware test that said everything was OK.

    The problem still persists so I disconnected each item:

    Graphics card, each memory module and each of the hard drives. I disconnected them from the mother board (ribbon connector) as I haven't sussed out how to remove the carriage that they're in, in order to totally remove them including disconnecting the power.

    I don't know if its relevant but it flashes up a lot on screen 'no signal', then it recovers
    wonder if its the graphics card?

    Apart from kicking it around the garage for half an hour; I'm a bit stumped.

    Thanks

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    Sure sounds like the gfx card. Take it out, clean the terminal and re-seat firmly and see if there is any improvement.

    Whilst open it may well pay to replace the AA1/2 PRAM battery as the machine has been sitting around idly.
    Hang on to those original install discs like grim death! Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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