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WHY do Macs cost far less to buy in the USA ?


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Let's all thank pedropete for once again proving godwin's law.

And let's try to keep the finger-pointing to a minimum...
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OK Nick - I think this is the kind of answer I was hoping for all along...

Unpalatable or not - I think it probably goes a long way to explaining what has often appeared an annoying anomaly to we Europeans !!
We often find it hard why in - 'the Richest and most Prosperous Country - Economy in the World ' - things are apparently - so much cheaper than elsewhere !
An example closer to home here - I can buy superb bottles of Rioja red wine in Spain for about 5 Euro's - yet the Exact Same Brand of wine would cost about 12-15 GBP in the UK....
Because the UK Gov.t' impose a criminally high Duty on Alcohol...

It's been said that for any 5 Pounds retail bottle of wine in the UK - once you deduct out the duty etc - the wine inside is worth about 40pence !!
Which isn't the Highest quality you will get..
Same goes for Petrol re Duty etc
And - tobacco products....

Thanks !
It's definitely a complex topic...and your wine example is a perfect way of explaining how something that's relatively inexpensive can become many times more expensive dues to taxes/fees/levy's/VAT/duties.

I'm going to assume the rest of the world is similar to the United States in that products like wine, beer, spirits (hard liquor), tobacco products, and gasoline...are taxed & taxed & taxed. Why...it's a GIGANTIC source of income for the governments. Thus taxing the heck out of expensive imported items like computers/electronics is another enormous way for governments to increase revenues.

Does Apple also play a role in how much their computers cost in countries outside the United States? (maybe)...the trouble is we aren't able to verify or quantify if this is true...since we don't get to see what the pre-tax/pre-VAT/pre-duty price is for Apple computers. Even in the UK with the VAT...VAT may not be the only duty/tax/fee/etc. that's increasing the price. There may be other "less-known" or unpublished taxes/fees/duties as well.

Definitely a complex topic...and hard to get the facts in order to effectively answer the question..."Why do Mac's cost more in countries outside the United States?" I bet Windows based computers cost a lot more internationally (outside the US) as well.

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Ironically - History ( my Degree subject as a former teacher of 20 years until 1999) reveals that it was the U.S.A. who practised rigid Protectionist Trade Policies in the period after the First World war - post 1918 - when the major European economies had fought themseves to a stand-still - bankrupting themselves in the process, and eager to regain their leading trading / commercial positions etc
Only to find that the U.S.A. had taken over most of their former trading areas etc
And - guarded their domestic industries by high import tariffs etc
So - you had defeated Germany, struggling to get itself back on its feet, while at the same time, being forced to pay punitive 'Reparations' or War Damages of 6,600 Billion Pounds equivalent...
Impossible.
Hence - the succession of weak minority govt.'s - and the rise of the Nazi Party under A. Hitler - and all that entailed for the 1930's etc
Brief History lesson - over.
I think that no country is perfect...and at one time or another...all countries have practiced some form of "protectionist" economic policies. But things change...sometimes for the good...and sometimes not.

Probably best to focus on what the current economic polices are we have to deal with (when purchasing our computers in this thread).

- Nick

p.s. Of course a new discussion could be started in the "Mac-Forums Lounge" to discuss "Historical Economic Protectionist Policies"...practiced by various countries over the course of the last 5,000 years.

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Why does Apple (or anyone else) charge more in some countries than others? Simple. Because they can! It's called 'market forces' otherwise known as charging the maximum they can get away with.

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1. If it is too dear do not buy it!

2. We are all in a similar boat. Mac Pro purchased in California required 10% GST payment on arrival Down Under.

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Apple can choose to sell their products for however much they choose to do so anywhe they'd like. Fairness is not an issue, it doesn't apply.

If people are willing to play the price, Apple will continue to charge it. End of story.

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Let's all thank pedropete for once again proving godwin's law.
I really find it sad that he even took it in that direction.


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increased in the UK from 17.5% to 20% in January !
tell me about it. We are taxed on everything apart from food/fresh produce.
Its so we can give money to all those lovely "doley's" who dont work and smoke weed all day.

Im joking, obviously.

At least it isnt as bad as down under, they cant get anything over there.

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tell me about it. We are taxed on everything apart from food/fresh produce.
Its so we can give money to all those lovely "doley's" who dont work and smoke weed all day.

Im joking, obviously.

At least it isnt as bad as down under, they cant get anything over there.
We can get plenty down here....
New taxes on already increasing taxes, more speed cameras and red light cameras, more toll roads, more paid parking spots and more parking inspectors, privatisation of all our assets and resources, and the list goes on.
Luckily for those who feel like they are being pushed over the edge, and just need to chill out, we have some beautiful landscapes and beaches, and... there is no shortage of weed
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I really find it sad that he even took it in that direction.
Why are you being so darned hyper-sensitive here ?

All I was doing was to attempt to place things into a historical perspective.
Nothing detrimental, finger-pointing, or apportioning any sort of 'blame was involved.

It's sad when you aren't able to even mention factual matters for the sake of accuracy - without someone taking 'offence' - for no real reason other than to be pedantic / weird / fringe element' !!

I think you need to chill friend

Try following Jimmy Buffet's advice in Margaritaville....and have a cocktail / tequila / anything - after all - surely it's '5 0'clock - Somewhere - even in Margaritaville ??

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tell me about it. We are taxed on everything apart from food/fresh produce.
Its so we can give money to all those lovely "doley's" who dont work and smoke weed all day.

Im joking, obviously.

At least it isnt as bad as down under, they cant get anything over there.
No - you're NOT joking - really !

Some folk just don't know HOW to get off their backsides - and even think about doing an ' honest day's work'...
Some and sadly an increasing number - NEVER HAVE.

I'd love to see the Coalition Gov't introduce an American-style 'Work Shy ' scheme - from what I heard about it, it would be darn good for all the lazy layabouts.
Rant - passed.

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I think you need to chill friend

Try following Jimmy Buffet's advice in Margaritaville....and have a cocktail / tequila / anything - after all - surely it's '5 0'clock - Somewhere - even in Margaritaville ??
You really may want to take your own advice here. Just a thought.

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I already have !!
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Why are you being so darned hyper-sensitive here ?

All I was doing was to attempt to place things into a historical perspective.
Nothing detrimental, finger-pointing, or apportioning any sort of 'blame was involved.

It's sad when you aren't able to even mention factual matters for the sake of accuracy - without someone taking 'offence' - for no real reason other than to be pedantic / weird / fringe element' !!

I think you need to chill friend

Try following Jimmy Buffet's advice in Margaritaville....and have a cocktail / tequila / anything - after all - surely it's '5 0'clock - Somewhere - even in Margaritaville ??
That wan't particularly hyper sensitive by any means and you might just want to take a look in the mirror before you throw around accusations like that. It just seems a bit odd that you chose to somehow connect Apples pricing policies in Europe with the Nazis. A historical perspective? Really? That post made it sound like there was giant conspiracy to steal money from you folks in Europe or the UK by we Americans. In fact, based on that post, your original post in this thread and many other posts you have in here I'd say you are the one who is being a bit hyper sensitive, and perhaps a bit paranoid even, over this whole topic.

Apple's pricing is what it is. You don't have to like it and you most certainly don't have to pay them any money if you think they are wrong.


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That wan't particularly hyper sensitive by any means and you might just want to take a look in the mirror before you throw around accusations like that. It just seems a bit odd that you chose to somehow connect Apples pricing policies in Europe with the Nazis. A historical perspective? Really? That post made it sound like there was giant conspiracy to steal money from you folks in Europe or the UK by we Americans. In fact, based on that post, your original post in this thread and many other posts you have in here I'd say you are the one who is being a bit hyper sensitive, and perhaps a bit paranoid even, over this whole topic.

Apple's pricing is what it is. You don't have to like it and you most certainly don't have to pay them any money if you think they are wrong.
and - my original piece...

Originally Posted by pedropete
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ronically - History ( my Degree subject as a former teacher of 20 years until 1999) reveals that it was the U.S.A. who practised rigid Protectionist Trade Policies in the period after the First World war - post 1918 - when the major European economies had fought themselves to a stand-still - bankrupting themselves in the process, and eager to regain their leading trading / commercial positions etc
Only to find that the U.S.A. had taken over most of their former trading areas etc
And - guarded their domestic industries by high import tariffs etc
So - you had defeated Germany, struggling to get itself back on its feet, while at the same time, being forced to pay punitive 'Reparations' or War Damages of 6,600 Billion Pounds equivalent...
Impossible.
Hence - the succession of weak minority govt.'s - and the rise of the Nazi Party under A. Hitler - and all that entailed for the 1930's etc
Brief History lesson - over. "


What 'accusations' ?!?
Strange ! If you didn't keep up to speed with the short summary it's not my responsibility ! But you obviously got the wrong end of the stick as to your interpretation. We were actually addressing the economic issue of Protectionism after 1918. You can't change Facts ! Didn't you study this at high school / college ?
How you can connect what I said above with - 'the Nazi's and Apple's current pricing policies' - is bizarre in the extreme....
I think it almost quite disingenuous of you to draw bizarre assumptions the way you have.
(I am actually - rather sensitive if not a little paranoid, although there are, my shrink advises, perfectly valid reasons for that - )

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