Actually, another member asked if BHO was planning to support any bans. I merely pointed to BHO's own website and another member commented after that, etc...
Just asking if any other firearm owners are experiencing difficulty in obtaining ammunition. And, if so, are they ordering in bulk for the first time like me. The "what is an assault weapon" debate has been done to death.
I guess I just don't understand why people are stockpiling ammunition. The statement you referenced doesn't seem to relate to ammunition types that would be regularly used (at least I would hope that regular, law-abiding citizens aren't regularly using what I ordinarily think of as an assault weapon).
Just to clarify, I am not a gun owner, but I have often considered purchasing a weapon for personal protection. One of my best friends is a lifetime NRA member and is a gun enthusiast. He has taught me to fire a number of different handguns and has tried to educate me on gun ownership and concealed carry laws. Before I knew him, I didn't have much an opinion on gun ownership, but I do now. I believe in the right to bear arms, and I also believe that less government intervention is a good thing. I believe that gun control laws mostly limit the rights of law-abiding citizens, while criminals do what they would do anyway.
But what concerns me is the paranoia that the statement made by the Obama camp seems to have generated. I don't share that paranoia, unless there is something more substantial than support for banning military-style weapons.
I think the stockpiling is due because of the shortage of ammunition available at reasonable prices. The fear is that new or renewed legislation will make it unavailable or too expensive if you decide to purchase it later. Thus, there is quite a bit of panic buying. The ammunition I mentioned would be considered target ammunition by most as it is cheaper and less powerful than self defense ammunition and heavy hunting loads for long guns. The prices on that stuff (self defense ammunition and heavy hunting rounds) are through the roof. If you can find it. Honestly, Obama and a majority Democrat Legislature scare the heck out of many gun owners. Many gun owners believe there won't be any substantial gun legislation until after the 2010 mid terms as the controversy over a new gun or ammo legislation might hurt Democrat majority rule in bitter election year clashes. This in turn might be seen as reason to "get it while you can" mentality breaking out (in preparation for anticipated heavy gun unfriendly legislation which might easily pass after 2010). Just my thoughts on the topic of stockpiling ammunition.
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Not really, the stockpiling started November 5th. Sorry, you may or may not agree.. but this is the date I started seeing various forum posts by people about buying as many weapons and as much ammo as they could. I'm actually fairly well armed, but I'm also far from a knee-jerk reactionary.
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I think the stockpiling is due because of the shortage of ammunition available at reasonable prices. The fear is that new or renewed legislation will make it unavailable or too expensive if you decide to purchase it later. Thus, there is quite a bit of panic buying. The ammunition I mentioned would be considered target ammunition by most as it is cheaper and less powerful than self defense ammunition and heavy hunting loads for long guns. The prices on that stuff (self defense ammunition and heavy hunting rounds) are through the roof. If you can find it. Honestly, Obama and a majority Democrat Legislature scare the heck out of many gun owners. Many gun owners believe there won't be any substantial gun legislation until after the 2010 mid terms as the controversy over a new gun or ammo legislation might hurt Democrat majority rule in bitter election year clashes. This in turn might be seen as reason to "get it while you can" mentality breaking out (in preparation for anticipated heavy gun unfriendly legislation which might easily pass after 2010). Just my thoughts on the topic of stockpiling ammunition.
OK, got it. I caught some rumblings about people stockpiling, but I wasn't sure what the logic was there and was genuinely curious.
Doesn't it blow your mind how divided people are anymore? Like when this thread started, immediately people jumped to one side or another. Seems like there is no middle ground anymore for any issue.
We definitely live in interesting times. Isn't that an ancient Chinese curse?
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What saddens me isn't really the division itself, it's that the division has become so wide that I honestly expect violence to come of it before this decade is up. I expect the last of this decade to be very much like the end of the 60's. That's pretty sad.
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What saddens me isn't really the division itself, it's that the division has become so wide that I honestly expect violence to come of it before this decade is up. I expect the last of this decade to be very much like the end of the 60's. That's pretty sad.
Exactly. Very scary stuff - especially as a parent of young kids.
We were sitting in a restaurant yesterday in a small town (near my in-laws). My just-turned-4-year-old knows the name Obama (and McCain, for that matter), although I'm sure he doesn't understand the concept of the President, Congress, or anything government-related, aside from maybe the police. He does understand that Obama is one of our leaders and an important person.
Anyway, there was a family of three behind us and their kid was an older teenager. He overheard their conversation, which was clearly very anti-Obama. In fact, they went as far as speculating about an assassination. Of course, my four year old picked up on this and starts asking me what "assassinate" means.
How do you explain such a thing to a four year old, who has such a limited understanding of how the world works?
Anyway, I resorted to whispering "that's a very bad thing that we're not going to talk about right now, OK?".
Just asking if any other firearm owners are experiencing difficulty in obtaining ammunition. And, if so, are they ordering in bulk for the first time like me. The "what is an assault weapon" debate has been done to death.
"Ordering in Bulk" = Stockpiling? Getting ready for something are we?
I have been trying to buy ammo when I can. I believe if we let them ban assault rifles that is just one type of gun down and more to go. I have heard that obama does not like ANY semi automatic weapons which almost all guns. I personally like assault rifles as they are a good time shooting. I also have family members that are and was police officers and they also enjoy them. No your not gonna just take them out hunting but they are fun to shoot when your target shooting which last time I checked is kinda a sport. If you ban assault rifles, yeah law abiding citizens will not own them. But guess who still will? The people you don't want having them. I believe we should not give them any more of our freedoms as they are getting more rare as the days go on. But I am sure some guy that doesn't even enjoy or know anything about the sport will make my decision for me.
I don't understand people's thinking when it comes to gun rights and wanting to take them away. People are not seeing the real world we live or something.
I don't understand people's thinking when it comes to gun rights and wanting to take them away. People are not seeing the real world we live or something.
I'm not a US citizen. But I do understand people's thinking when it comes to gun bans. I'm from a country where it's pretty hard to get a 9mm hand gun without a bucket of paperwork and licenses behind you. And a semi or automatic weapon here. Haha, Not a chance. And the world we live in is wars all over the place. Guns kill people every day. And I think they are trying to stop it. And I'm all for it.
But statistics have shown that there are 2 kinds of places in the world.
Place A: where guns are pretty much banned. And almost no one owns a gun, bar a few license holders, the police and criminals.
Place B: where it's really hard to find anyone who does not have a gun. And they're proud of showing everyone their stash of guns and ammo.
And which place has less crime on average according to the worlds statistics? The places like place B. Must be the fear where if you rob a place more than likely you'll have a gun pointed in your face right back at you too by the home owner. Personally I'm against guns but can't argue with the data.
So in short I'm not 100% in agreance with your gun laws over there and the presidents aims. But by heck if people want to own guns I'm all for it. Be it a 9mm or an AK47 or whatever you want. I say just limit the ammo supply outside of hunting seasons.
Because guns themselves don't do the damage. It's Guns + too much ammo + certain trigger happy individuals that are causing all the troubles for the rest of us.
