01-03-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chas_m
I think you may be misunderstanding what I said.
I keep multiple apps open ALL THE TIME. Right now as I'm typing this to you I have Photoshop, iChat, TextEdit, Mail, Safari, and an FTP app and GMail client open simultaneously. Safari has multiple tabs open, and I have multiple chats going as well. Photoshop has multiple documents in progress.
So I amend my statement to say I *rarely* have multiple windows open in the same app rather than never, but except for Photoshop and occasionally InDesign I don't ever tend to need multiple windows within the same app open (mostly because of this thing called tabs).
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Funny, I remember referring precisely to Photoshop and InDesign when discussing the shortcomings of Mission Control. There are a number of applications that either don't support tabs or are best used with multiple windows, and these don't lend themselves well to Mission Control.
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You sound like you're implying that Lion is unsuitable for "power users." Mister, I'm here to tell you I'm a power user. I do all kinds of stuff on this 2007 machine with 3GB of RAM, including video editing, Adobe CS stuff and other heavy-duty apps at least some of my day. It all works so well, in fact, that I've been unable to justify swapping out this ancient Macbook (not even a Pro!) for something newer, though I'm determined to do so this year anyway.
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I only referenced its unsuitable performance on machines with 2GB of RAM, which is bad specifically since Apple still ships machines with 2GB of RAM. Adding more is necessary for even light multitasking, and you have more than that. You're actually supporting my assertion.
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The only time this old machine lets me down is if I'm doing something that really taxes the video chipset (like Google Earth). It works, but not as well as it should. HD video editing is also pretty much out, but this machine wasn't even top of the line in 2007 so on the whole I feel it has served me very well (and it plays 720p video just fine, thanks!).
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If you're boasting about 720p playback and having trouble with Google Earth, your standards are about 6 years behind the curve. I wouldn't take this as a positive for Lion.
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I use Spaces a lot and Expose very little so I'm not taking issue with your complaints about Expose, but your comments about Lion generally are, IME, off the mark. The idea that Lion isn't suitable for "power users" is just plain laughable.
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I never said Lion was unsuitable for power users. I said it was unsuitable for people that do heavy multitasking and that it required more RAM than Snow Leopard did to perform acceptably. There is a marked difference. I suppose I could have been more specific and thrown in the implied "It's unsuitable for people with workflows that actually leveraged Exposé," but I thought my heavy focus on what a poor replacement Mission Control is covered that.
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Originally Posted by chas_m
LOL! Oh, how the memory cheats!!
Most of the people who now seem like they are/were "thrilled" with Snow Leopard were the exact SAME people gnashing their teeth and condemning Apple to the skies a couple of years ago. Oh you should have been there! Special web sites (by the dozens!) with compatibility charts and forums filled with fearful faithful! Half the base thought Apple had lost their minds dropping Gx compatibility and the other half thought the idea of charging for a new version with "no new features" was sheer MADNESS that would see Apple lose all its marketshare.
There was MUCH wailing about app compatibility (LOTS of older stuff "broke" under Snow Leopard) and cursing about the dropping of G5s and older. The new features in Snow Leopard were MUCH reviled (at first) and it was Leopard's turn to be the "it ain't broke why fix it" poster boy!
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What do you call FUD when it's about a group of people the poster is trying to feel superior to? I never had any such "new feature" complaints about Snow Leopard, and I don't know anyone that did. My only complaint about Snow Leopard from the start was that Apple was charging for something that should have been a free upgrade to the bloated Leopard. I might have been a bit annoyed about PowerPC support being dropped too, but it wasn't a big deal for me at that point anyway since I had traded up. The main issue with Lion isn't a compatibility chart or shiny gimmicks - it's the removal of useful features, which is a first for OS X. The resource inefficiency and bugs that persist two major updates later are an added bonus.
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This same Greek tragedy is re-performed every time Apple does the very thing we admire most about them (in retrospect, it would seem) -- push the industry forward by daring to throw out the old. Man I remember when the iMac came out with no legacy ports at all, you should have heard the howling!!
In short, the Mac community is a friendly place with great people, but we're also terrible hypocrites with VERY selective memories and rather picky about stuff as well. For users that have embraced the very ESSENCE of change by picking the "non-standard" platform in the first place, we sure do get cranky when Apple changes stuff ... as a user since the mid-80s I'm just endlessly amused by the occasional hysteria of Mac users ... remind me to tell you about iMovie '08 User Revolt sometime ...
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Accusing all criticism of Apple as the work of Luddites is rather closed-minded. I'm open to Exposé being enhanced or even replaced with something better - I just didn't want it replaced with something that has
less functionality and requires
more clicks and swipes to do the things it can do.
I'm open to new takes on the fullscreen idea that get around it "covering up" a bunch of windows - I didn't want multi-monitor fullscreen support to be killed off in the process.
The iMovie '08 "revolt" was justified even by Apple's tacit admission, since they made iMovie 6 HD available as a free download until all the features they had removed were put back into later versions of iMovie. The Final Cut Pro X "revolt" happening right now is even more justified, since Apple is essentially forcing professional video editors to go through the costly process of switching to another software solution.
Apple's products are not exempt from criticism just because some of their actions push the industry forward. Spotlight doesn't justify Apple having the gall to charge people for .mac/MobileMe as an example. To close your eyes to all faults in their products and services is tantamount to encouraging Apple to not change and improve them, which would be terrible. I'm not asking for Exposé back: I just want Mission Control, and indeed Lion itself, to be molded into worthy successors.
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Originally Posted by Lord Elrond
I'm one of those folks who read the comments section more than an article purporting to praise or decry something.
Some of those comments have suggested glitches causing slow downs, crashes etc. with lion. Clearly it seems most were thrilled with snow leopard.
It reminds me of when Millenium edition of windows came out and it sucked. Then they released XP which was extremely stable. Then Vista came out and sucked.
I'm thinking I might be ok because I've never had a Mac before so I'm getting used to an entirely new system but the main reason I'm switching is because of Mac's rep for stability and reliability.
It's a big investment and I don't want to regret it.
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As harsh as I may seem with my criticisms of Lion, I would never compare Lion to Windows Millennium Edition. For all its faults, OS X Lion is still better at window management than Windows 7 by a huge margin. And even though there are some bugs in a few of Lion's bundled apps, Windows doesn't even come with bundled programs that I deem acceptable to use over any alternatives to begin with. And if Apple continues as it's been doing for the last two OS X releases, 10.8 will probably only be $29 when it comes out anyway. Trust me: most of the criticisms of Lion I've made in this thread wouldn't be there if I were coming in brand new without any prior OS X experience. I just hold Apple to a higher standard than I do Microsoft because I know from experience that they can do better than this.