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cameronryan
01-03-2008, 07:54 AM
From a recent post:


People who 'hate' cats do so because, like any human you would have an ounce of respect for, you have to earn their love and affection.

A dog will love anyone, you can kick a dog and it will come back to you whereas a cat would say forget you - i'll find somebody who treats me right.


From a moderator warning PM:


Also profanity is strictly prohibited. This includes the use of symbols or different spellings to try and mask it.


Duly noted, but I have to admit I am surprised that using symbols or stars to mask a word is not permitted. Swear words are part of the English language and have their place. I agree they should not be over used but the reason we have them and that now all dictionary's include them is because they have a use - and that use is to denote strong feeling.

I am aware that this is a very formal forum which is why I used four stars, and if using four stars would cause offence to anyone then they are too sensitive to survive everyday life.

It is more likely that somebody such as I would take offence at such a warning as it makes the poster (in this case myself) feel he is a foul mouthed troublemaker in the eyes of the forum clique when in fact I was merely speaking as most people do.

The fact I didn't specify any four letter word makes it even more rediculous - it could have been 'milk' for all anybody knows, it is left to the imagination and shouldn't be any big deal.

Just thought it worthy of a mention - Mac Forums is my 8th forum over the years and this is the first I have experienced any such warning.

I have only been banned from one forum and that was for asking how Thailand would change when the king dies.

This is a forum for Mac users - we all share the same love for a modern, informal, cool and exciting product - let's not be over formal - after all this isn't a hang out for elderly nuns - perhaps the only minority who would be offended by four stars.

Sincerely

CR

Cherokee
01-03-2008, 08:38 AM
I'm sure there are plenty of folks who will agree with you on this issue. But in the end, it's the decision of the administrators/owners of Mac-Forums how they want their site to be run.

It's written very clearly in the rules that what you did was a violation. If you want to post here, you have to play by the rules. That's the bottom line.

Personally, I'm glad Mac-Forums has high standards. It's a lot different than most of the forums I visit. That's a good thing!

rcronin
01-03-2008, 08:42 AM
I don't have any interest in getting into the particulars of this word or that one or possible meanings or numbers of asterisks. However I support the rule b/c it's really hard to find a great forum and this is a great forum and I would like younger people to be able to come here without their parents having to worry about that stuff. I think it keeps M-F's at an "above standard" level.

ki99
01-03-2008, 09:28 AM
there is no point in complaining because it is a rule, and it's a rule for a reason. It won't get changed just because one member isn't happy about it. and i totally agree with the last post saying this is an "above standard" forum, and that's what makes it so great!

bryphotoguy
01-03-2008, 09:45 AM
Please visit the site support/ comments/ suggestions discussion group. There you will find similar complaints.
A rule is a rule. If you can't live by them, look for a 9th forum to join. Or, simply don't swear.

D3v1L80Y
01-03-2008, 11:45 AM
I have to admit I am surprised that using symbols or stars to mask a word is not permitted. Swear words are part of the English language and have their place.
And that place is not here.
I am surprised that a year and a half after you have become a member, you are just now surprised about something that has been in the Forum Rules well before you joined. This should not have been anything new to you.

If you don't like it, then I would echo the suggestion to find another forum to frequent.

fleurya
01-03-2008, 12:09 PM
George Carlin has me convinced that it's the dumbest thing in the world to have thousands and thousands of words in a language, but then single out seven or so of them and label them as "bad words". But, that's the way it is, so there's not fighting it. Since society has labeled such words as bad, I simply don't use them at all with a few exceptions. There's plenty of other words to use if you have a vocabulary of a 1st grade child.

Putting symbols in the place of letters does not change your intention of using a bad word. Everyone knows what you mean, and it definitely wasn't "milk". It is possible to know about something and still be offended by it. Everyone knows about racial slurs, but are still offended when hearing them.

giulio
01-03-2008, 01:11 PM
Sometimes I like to think we are all just buddies hanging out, at the same level, and can BS freely without offending anyone. But the fact is this board is frequented by children and women as well. So you gotta speak like you're at the dinner table. Is that really so bad? Don't let it ruin your day.

Zoolook
01-03-2008, 01:16 PM
I think in principle you have a good point, and I am sure you're not completely alone in feeling that people who have issues with occasioanal profanity are probably in the minority. However there are three very simple points to be made.

1) This forum is read by all, old and young, and no one should have to read or even infer foul language
2) Whilst the use of profanities is common place in English, it is never necessary and belies a lack of alternative vocabulary
3) (most important), the forum admins can choose to run this forum as they please. You are also free to go and find other forums to swear/cuss on.

schweb
01-03-2008, 05:46 PM
I am aware that this is a very formal forum which is why I used four stars, and if using four stars would cause offence to anyone then they are too sensitive to survive everyday life.

Without restating the obvious since everyone else in this thread has already posted very relevant responses to your complaints on the profanity rule, I wanted to point out this part of the rules:

Rule #1 in our Forum Rules:

Community: At Mac-Forums.com, we strive to provide a safe, comfortable atmosphere for members of any age, race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation. Do not engage in personal bickering or flaming; remember to treat all posters how you would want to be treated. Lewd or offensive posts, signatures, or avatars are not permitted.

Also profanity is strictly prohibited. This includes the use of symbols or different spellings to try and mask it.

So I fail to see why you're surprised your were warned when you violated a very black and white, clear rule. There's not even any gray there.

As for why the rule exists, I think the first part of rule #1 as well as the other posters in this thread have answered that enough.

Neo
01-04-2008, 02:18 AM
I love coming to this forum in part because of the environment created by rule #1. The discussions are respectful; even dignified and erudite (ha; for the most part). Contrast this forum with something like comments on YouTube. Why would you even want to go down that road?

Kash
01-04-2008, 02:20 AM
I agree, I hate forums where everybody is bashing one another. Not only is it annoying as it provides nothing of substance, it also leads to horrible grammar and spelling, which is just painful to read.

Shannonb
01-04-2008, 03:21 AM
I would say this forum is moderated tightly, if not a little too tightly. BUT, if you don't like they are plenty of other mac forums on the internet.

schweb
01-04-2008, 06:23 AM
I would say this forum is moderated tightly, if not a little too tightly. BUT, if you don't like they are plenty of other mac forums on the internet.

Exactly.

Kilted1
01-04-2008, 07:43 AM
When all is said and done it's Schweb and the mods that make the rules. We are but guests in this "house". If someone disagrees with them (The rules) no one is keeping them here against their will

... except for MHC. I think they've got her chained up somewhere ;)

giulio
01-04-2008, 08:45 AM
And cursing is just not classy. Sometimes it feels good though... much like other very non-classy acts haha. But there is a time and place for everything.

mathogre
01-04-2008, 09:10 AM
I've found that being polite and mannered opens the ears and eyes of others who would rather not hear ideas that are contrarian. I've planted memes in places where same would be unwelcome if offered without civility.

Forum rules aside, if you act as a cur, you are likely to be ignored in life, and you will certainly be ignored here. In contrast, there are young people here whose words and ideas are accepted because they know how to communicate with a degree of civility and intelligence. That's pretty cool, I think.

rcronin
01-04-2008, 09:19 AM
Sometimes I like to think we are all just buddies hanging out, at the same level, and can BS freely without offending anyone. But the fact is this board is frequented by children and women as well. So you gotta speak like you're at the dinner table. Is that really so bad? Don't let it ruin your day.

Hey, hey, hey! *jumping up and down* Did anyone else see that or was it just me?!! Giulio wrote "BS" in his post! Mods, where are you now?! *unrighteous indignation*

Side Bar: Is unrighteous a word?

Now you know I'm KIDDING. So no serious replies to this or I'll give up on us.

And I can't resist, I have to add that I had "s*cked" in my siggy for 9 months or so and was NEVER talked to about it. I just stopping "s*cking" and took it out myself. ;P It's true, I'm much better now...

MacHeadCase
01-04-2008, 09:36 AM
When all is said and done it's Schweb and the mods that make the rules. We are but guests in this "house". If someone disagrees with them (The rules) no one is keeping them here against their will

... except for MHC. I think they've got her chained up somewhere ;)

Harumphie!!!

*Rattles chains*

MACyMouse
01-04-2008, 09:41 AM
I was bored at work one day and decided to find out the origins of some of these swear words most commonly used. I was very fascinated to find out that the SH word came from sailors who would ship Manure over seas in crates.

Well, manure gives off a type of gas and when sailors would go down below to lite a ciggy, it was like a bomb... so... from that point on they would write ... Ship High In Transit... so the fumes wouldn't be confined down below the deck. Now take the first letter in each and you have your swear.

Very interesting...

rman
01-04-2008, 10:58 AM
Very interesting in deed - Thanks MACyMouse :)

jonnyd
01-04-2008, 11:39 AM
I reckon modding is far harder than it looks. It's a pretty thankless task at the best of times. I could never mod a forum.

It's obvious the modding here is tighter than a lot of places, and that doesn't suit everybody (myself included, sometimes), but I know that's my problem, not the mods.

Even if sometimes that's the case, I'd still say the mods here are a cut above most of the forums I have posted on. That goes for all the mods, but just to balance the thanklessness issue, I'll also add that Schweb is extraordinary - every single one of his posts as a mod I have ever read has been spot on the money. Impressive.

PerryLynch
01-04-2008, 11:52 AM
I'm a moderator on a Scottish Terrier forum, and I can tell you that those of us with Scotties are much like our dogs - a mixture of complete focus and ADHD. Topics never seem to die, they just get set aside for a few minutes for the new toy.

Invariably, someone gets offended and someone takes there ball and runs home. But the forum is a good one, so after some licking of wounds, or one of us stepping in with either the garden hose or a shiny red ball, everyone gets back to having a good time.

It takes the wisdom of Solomon, the patience of Job, the humor of Carlin, and the Valium of a 2nd Grade teacher to be an effective moderator ;-)

giulio
01-04-2008, 12:41 PM
Hey, hey, hey! *jumping up and down* Did anyone else see that or was it just me?!! Giulio wrote "BS" in his post! Mods, where are you now?! *unrighteous indignation*

I was wondering if anyone would catch that =)

jonnyd
01-04-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm a moderator on a Scottish Terrier forum, and I can tell you that those of us with Scotties are much like our dogs - a mixture of complete focus and ADHD.

Talking of ADHD, did you read that thing the other day abou

Ooohhh! A Bee!