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bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 10:55 AM
I need to purchase a new bed; my futon is in poor shape.
I had asked for Ikea gift cards from my parents and they will cover most of this $180 bed frame I was looking at. For the time, I'd reuse my current matress and foam topper but I'd eventually need a nice, new matress. Anything I look at is $400+ for a queen matress.
My g/f's favorite bed and what I think is the most comfortable bed at Ikea is that $900 round bed. She's pushing me to get it.
I just sold one of my guitars yesterday so with that $ and the gift cards, I got half of the $900.
I will get paid 3x in February so I will have a "bonus" 2 week paycheck and a nice tax refund coming back around the same time, so money really isn't a issue. I don't have any student loans or anything to pay off so I would just save the $ otherwise for that new CRX to come out in 2010 or so.
I am just having trouble justifying the purchase of a $1000 bed after taxes and few sets of sheets and stuff. I just feel like the novelty of a round bed would wear off quickly and i'd just feel guilty for spending that much on a bed.

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 11:03 AM
It's really a round bed? IMO that's not a good idea at all.

You'll have to get special bed linen because it doesn't have a regular shape i.e. like queen size or king size, for example, and you will have to go to specialized stores for your bed linen and covers and they could very well be more expensive because of their odd shape.

cwa107
12-28-2007, 11:11 AM
It's really a round bed? IMO that's not a good idea at all.

You'll have to get special bed linen because it doesn't have a regular shape i.e. like queen size or king size, for example, and you will have to go to specialized stores for your bed linen and covers and they could very well be more expensive because of their odd shape.

Agreed. Even the pillow-top mattresses can be hard to find mattress pads and sheets for (you need deep-pocketed ones), let alone a round bed. Save yourself some cash and buy a normal, rectangular mattress and frame. Even a good mattress only lasts about 10 years or so, this way you'll be able to easily replace it without having to get another new frame.

PerryLynch
12-28-2007, 11:27 AM
If you're going to spend that much, I'd suggest one of those inflatable beds - as the condition of your back changes, you can adjust the pressure. You spend 1/3 of your life in bed, the least you can do is be as comfortable as possible.

Also, what if you're tall? A round bed may mean that one foot is always hanging off the edge...

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 11:31 AM
Memory foam mattresses (Tempur) are really good. I dunno how much they cost in the US but here they are outrageously priced.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 11:38 AM
It comes with a pillow topper and Ikea sells sheets for the bed.
They don't advertise the bed on the web; it's only store item, otherwise I'd link you to it. It's really a round bed.
It can break into 4 parts which would act as chairs. All I have now is a Lovesac so makeshift chairs would be a plus. My studio now isn't big, I think the living room is only 300 sqft. It's a little large for me so when I move, it might be a touch smaller so versitile furniture helps and why I bought a futon last year.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 11:46 AM
If you're going to spend that much, I'd suggest one of those inflatable beds - as the condition of your back changes, you can adjust the pressure. You spend 1/3 of your life in bed, the least you can do is be as comfortable as possible.

Also, what if you're tall? A round bed may mean that one foot is always hanging off the edge...

It's big enough. I'm 6' but I sleep in the fetal position so there is plenty of room.


Memory foam mattresses (Tempur) are really good. I dunno how much they cost in the US but here they are outrageously priced.

Yea, I was thinking about that. My parents have one and it's nice. I think I've seen knock offs on eBay nearing $800. That's a little to much if I still ned a frame.

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 11:54 AM
The problem with Ikea is they do stop making furniture when they feel like it's out of date and then, if you do go for that bed and it's discontinued, what will you do for buying sheets and covers if they are the only ones that sell them? Hopefully they'll still continue manufacturing them but at a certain point, I can only imagine it'll be very hard for you to find new ones because they simply won't sell them anymore.

Don't get me wrong: I love Ikea. In fact, if you were to take away all the furniture and accessories we bought there, you'd notice we have a very nice hardwood floor. ;D

Also consider when you move: a round bed will be hard to fit in a small room, you have all that wasted space because it isn't a rectangular shape. If you need bedside tables, etc. it might quickly become a hassle.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. :)

cheesybanana
12-28-2007, 12:18 PM
New CRX.

Edit:
Mattress on floor.
New CRX.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 12:32 PM
When I moved out from the parentals last year I had a bookshelf and the Lovesac. I bought everything from Ikea. Thanks for the heads up about their business model, that's kinds shady...

Thanks to everyone for the replies. It's not often when I post questions. Thanks your the input, much to consider.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 12:39 PM
New CRX.

Slated for 2010 or 2011. It was recently at the Tokyo auto show.
It's called a CRZ or something. It's a 2 seater hybrid, to be the cheapest hybrid on the market.
I will find an article or pix.

ibookclamman300
12-28-2007, 12:40 PM
well, wouldn't you fall off?

700th post, WOOT!

cheesybanana
12-28-2007, 12:41 PM
Slated for 2010 or 2011. It was recently at the Tokyo auto show.
It's called a CRZ or something. It's a 2 seater hybrid, to be the cheapest hybrid on the market.
I will find an article or pix.

Oh, I've seen it. Trust me...I can't wait.

My friend has an 89 CRX. It is amazing. I can't believe they stopped making them slash replaced them with the Del Sol.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 12:52 PM
Oh, I've seen it. Trust me...I can't wait.

My friend has an 89 CRX. It is amazing. I can't believe they stopped making them slash replaced them with the Del Sol.

WHAAA!!!! I guess you missed my little banner at the bottom.
I've never driven a CRX before. I agree it wasn't the best move to make the del Sol the replacement for the CRX, such a beloved car by many. The del Sol was a flop by comparrison but I love my del Sol.
I'd only give it up for a new, hybrid. I've been itching to sell/ trade my Sol for a Insight but the CR-Z would be the ultimate car.

For those who haven't seen, CR-Z (http://www.dieselstation.com/news/automotive/honda-crz-concept-model.html).

cwa107
12-28-2007, 12:54 PM
WHAAA!!!! I guess you missed my little banner at the bottom.
I've never driven a CRX before. I agree it wasn't the best move to make the del Sol the replacement for the CRX, such a beloved car by many. The del Sol was a flop by comparrison but I love my del Sol.
I'd only give it up for a new, hybrid. I've been itching to sell/ trade my Sol for a Insight but the CR-Z would be the ultimate car.

For those who haven't seen, CR-Z (http://www.dieselstation.com/news/automotive/honda-crz-concept-model.html).

Is it definitely "a go" for production? I saw it in C&D, but I thought it was just a concept/design study type of thing.

cheesybanana
12-28-2007, 12:59 PM
WHAAA!!!! I guess you missed my little banner at the bottom.
I've never driven a CRX before. I agree it wasn't the best move to make the del Sol the replacement for the CRX, such a beloved car by many. The del Sol was a flop by comparrison but I love my del Sol.
I'd only give it up for a new, hybrid. I've been itching to sell/ trade my Sol for a Insight but the CR-Z would be the ultimate car.

For those who haven't seen, CR-Z (http://www.dieselstation.com/news/automotive/honda-crz-concept-model.html).

I like the del Sol. But that fact remains that Honda has never made a better car than the CRX (well...maybe the Prelude, simply because I have one :P).

I agree. I will consider selling my Prelude for the new CRZ.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 01:05 PM
Is it definitely "a go" for production? I saw it in C&D, but I thought it was just a concept/design study type of thing.

I think that's how I heard about, from C&D. It sounded like it was going into production. But I don't work for Honda, so anything is a rumor I guess.

schweb
12-28-2007, 01:11 PM
When I moved out from the parentals last year I had a bookshelf and the Lovesac. I bought everything from Ikea. Thanks for the heads up about their business model, that's kinds shady...


It's not really shady, it's just business. No company supports their products or sells the same merchandise forever. It would be like me saying Apple is shady because they don't sell the Apple II any longer.

It's ALWAYS a bad idea to purchase something completely non-standard unless you're willing to throw away the investment at any given moment when it's no longer supported.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 01:30 PM
It's not really shady, it's just business. No company supports their products or sells the same merchandise forever. It would be like me saying Apple is shady because they don't sell the Apple II any longer.

It's ALWAYS a bad idea to purchase something completely non-standard unless you're willing to throw away the investment at any given moment when it's no longer supported.

The Apple II is 20 years old. If Apple discontinued the Mini today, they still are required to support it. I thought that there was some sort of law forcing companies to support their products for a certain period. I am not talking about a warranty.
If I bought a new Honda and I broke a tail light I should have the ability to by a replacement are 2 years after I buy even if the model is no longer made.
Ikea could discontinue making the bed after I would purchase it. I should still have the ability to buy sheets or a new topper six months later. Any company that doesn't offer any support within a reasonable time once a product is discontinued is shady.

D3v1L80Y
12-28-2007, 01:37 PM
The Apple II is 20 years old. If Apple discontinued the Mini today, they still are required to support it. I thought that there was some sort of law forcing companies to support their products for a certain period. I am not talking about a warranty.
Nope. No such law exists and nobody can force them to support something.
A company can cease support on whatever they like, whenever they like.
Even warranties have the "escape clause" that says something to the tune of 'we can change this whenever we want...blah, blah, blah'.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 01:49 PM
Nope. No such law exists and nobody can force them to support something.
A company can cease support on whatever they like, whenever they like.
Even warranties have the "escape clause" that says something to the tune of 'we can change this whenever we want...blah, blah, blah'.

Good to know.
Just because they aren't required doesn't mean they will stop making replacement parts. I went to a Honda dealership to have my 12 yr old car looked at. They still had everything I needed to get it working properly.
It would make me more likely to shop somewhere if I knew I could get something I needed no matter how obscure it is, whether it be a headlight or a set of bed sheets. There is just a level of security that is needed for me when I purchase something, which is why almost anything comes with a warranty.

schweb
12-28-2007, 02:50 PM
You can argue the point if you want, but in the end, you are at your own risk if you decide to purchase something that isn't standard.

There are no laws protecting you and your have no "right" to be supported.

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 02:52 PM
The Apple II is 20 years old. If Apple discontinued the Mini today, they still are required to support it. I thought that there was some sort of law forcing companies to support their products for a certain period. I am not talking about a warranty.
If I bought a new Honda and I broke a tail light I should have the ability to by a replacement are 2 years after I buy even if the model is no longer made.
Ikea could discontinue making the bed after I would purchase it. I should still have the ability to buy sheets or a new topper six months later. Any company that doesn't offer any support within a reasonable time once a product is discontinued is shady.

Well Ikea still sells the Billy bookcase and shelves units and I first saw those in 1982 when I started buying myself real furniture. I'm sure Ikea is keeping stats on what is popular and what has run its time. Like schweb says, nothing lasts forever. Does Sears still sell the exact same fridges they sold 25 years ago? Does Ford still make the same cars they made 12 years ago? Engines for cars even change...

Things move on. Going non-standard only makes it easier to run out of possibilities.

If you buy a Queen or King sized bed at Ikea, no matter if they stop making the frame next week, you can get sheets and covers for those any old store you chose.

rman
12-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Well Ikea still sells the Billy bookcase and shelves units and I first saw those in 1982 when I started buying myself real furniture. I'm sure Ikea is keeping stats on what is popular and what has run its time. Like schweb says, nothing lasts forever. Does Sears still sell the exact same fridges they sold 25 years ago? Does Ford still make the same cars they made 12 years ago? Engines for cars even change...

Things move on. Going non-standard only makes it easier to run out of possibilities.

If you buy a Queen or King sized bed at Ikea, no matter if they stop making the frame next week, you can get sheets and covers for those any old store you chose.Ikea still sells the Billy book shelfs as MacHeadCase stated, but what I found is that they changed the colors or time.

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 03:22 PM
Oh yeah the colours have been changed for sure though. :)

mynameis
12-28-2007, 03:42 PM
For those who haven't seen, CR-Z (http://www.dieselstation.com/news/automotive/honda-crz-concept-model.html).

Neat, but I would need to see pictures and specification for a production model before I would get too excited.

About the round bed, F that, that is all.

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 05:15 PM
You can argue the point if you want, but in the end, you are at your own risk if you decide to purchase something that isn't standard.

There are no laws protecting you and your have no "right" to be supported.

Understood. I guess my previous posts weren't clear enough.


Well Ikea still sells the Billy bookcase and shelves units and I first saw those in 1982 when I started buying myself real furniture.

haha, in 1982 you were buying funiture and I was still in the womb. Not to make you sound old... Sorry.


Well, the more I've been reading all your points (which are all valid) about why I shouldn't get it, the more I've been thinking I should. A queen size bed is too large for a cramped apartment. Having something I convert to set of chairs for guests is a plus. I also read the eBay is a great place to get round sheets. With the WWW at my disposal, sheets can't be too hard to find. Or, I can go the old fashioned method and make my own. I made a pair of boxer shorts / PJ shorts when I was in 7th grade (I was 13 or something.) They lasted me till I was 20. Can't say I've owned a pair of store bought clothes lasting that long.

If anything else, I can turn it into a lounger or something in a few years. Or I could walk into Ikea this weekend, remember all of what has been mentioned and walk out with a $180 frame.

Again, thanks everyone for your responses! +Rep!!

D3v1L80Y
12-28-2007, 05:24 PM
If you are concerned about having extra seating, there are also day beds. I think some of them are even in larger sizes (queen, king).
Even if there aren't, it isn't that difficult to make one yourself.
:)

bryphotoguy
12-28-2007, 05:49 PM
I have a futon now. Converting it to a couch takes 10 seconds literally. But that's how it broke in the first place.
I wouldn't have a problem building something but I'd have to also buy all the tools or have my dad watch over my shoulder at his house using his tools. He's still afraid I might take out an eye if I am using an exacto knife.

If it all blows up in my face, I will personally drive to each of your houses so you can say "told you so" and kick my butt on the way out.

I think nowthat I am young and that I have some money, I should spend it on something fun before I get married and it's all going to a car and a mortgage.

MacHeadCase
12-28-2007, 06:04 PM
*Snip*
haha, in 1982 you were buying funiture and I was still in the womb. Not to make you sound old... Sorry.

*Snip*

Somehow you did just that, kiddo. ;D

Oh and btw I should add that when I said real furniture, I meant no more hand-me-downs 'cuz I had already had a few apartments at that time, in '82.

There. Now you can say I'm even older than you thought at first. ;)

But I do like Ikea. Ikea rocks. :D

mac747
12-29-2007, 09:53 AM
Nope. No such law exists and nobody can force them to support something.
A company can cease support on whatever they like, whenever they like.
Even warranties have the "escape clause" that says something to the tune of 'we can change this whenever we want...blah, blah, blah'.

This law exists for motorcycles. They are required to make parts for 7 years I believe it is.

Also, please don't take offense to this, but she is your girlfriend. She could be gone tomorrow and you'll be stuck with a stupid round bed that other girls will make fun of you for if you bring them over. :)

Save your money.

T

Kilted1
12-29-2007, 10:09 AM
Memory foam mattresses (Tempur) are really good. I dunno how much they cost in the US but here they are outrageously priced.
They are terribly expensive here too. I borrowed on last year while I had back troubles. I gave it back agter a while. I do use one of their pillows however
IMHO a round bed is just a novelty and as MacHeadCase says special shape will give special prices for bed linen

schweb
12-29-2007, 01:36 PM
This law exists for motorcycles. They are required to make parts for 7 years I believe it is.

Do you have a link to the law? I have never heard of such a thing.

bryphotoguy
01-06-2008, 05:31 PM
It's super comfortable and it cost a little less than the round bed.
Thanks for all of your imput.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c353/bryphotoguy/photo-3.jpg

MacHeadCase
01-06-2008, 05:31 PM
Looking very nice, Bry!

mac747
01-06-2008, 06:08 PM
Do you have a link to the law? I have never heard of such a thing.

I don't have a link. I'll have to look and see if any of the cycle forums I belong to have it. The reason I know is because I have a cycle from 1993 and when I went looking for parts I found this out.

Tim

TrishOB
01-06-2008, 06:14 PM
Nice bed, Bry. :D

I assume that's the cat that's in the Mac Plus in your avatar?

Does your cat take up most of the bed like our Nissa does?

bryphotoguy
01-06-2008, 06:39 PM
Nice bed, Bry. :D

I assume that's the cat that's in the Mac Plus in your avatar?

Does your cat take up most of the bed like our Nissa does?

Same cat. I can only handle one pet at a time.
He's pretty good about not sleeping on the bed. I toss and turn a lot and I think he has caught on. He has started sleeping on the edge of the bed so he's pretty good about his sense of space.
He's got his own blueberry iMac to sleep in and a old blanket of mine. He's pretty spoiled.

cheesybanana
01-06-2008, 08:06 PM
Same cat. I can only handle one pet at a time.
He's pretty good about not sleeping on the bed. I toss and turn a lot and I think he has caught on. He has started sleeping on the edge of the bed so he's pretty good about his sense of space.
He's got his own blueberry iMac to sleep in and a old blanket of mine. He's pretty spoiled.

That is crazy cute. I wish my little Fidel had an iMac to sleep on...

Oh, I like how your bed is right next to the kitchen. Sooo convenient.