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ilja.olijevskis
11-26-2007, 05:15 PM
So... i decided that i need to have windows! (dont ask why :) )
So ... opened boot camp assistang... went through all of windows setup.. everything so far is working... NOW iam in windows and i notice, that i dont have wireless, so i realise that windows doest have any drivers. I call up my buddy and he said that the i need to stick in Leopard cd and i should get all the drivers it needs... But in windows, i wont read any dvd's with mac stuff... So does anybody have a good advice??

bobtomay
11-26-2007, 06:12 PM
Do as your buddy has already suggested and put in the Leopard DVD. It has all the windows drivers on it and will automatically start the install unless you have changed the normal windows settings to not auto start when a disk is inserted.

And before you do that, you may want to print out the BootCamp Assistant manual and read thru it.

ilja.olijevskis
11-26-2007, 06:28 PM
whats the point if windows driver doenst recon my dual layer dvd with os x contents?

Lifeisabeach
11-26-2007, 06:36 PM
You need to figure out what the make/model of your DVD player is and locate Windows compatible drivers from the maker's website. You can get the info you need by clicking "About this Mac" on your Apple menu, then clicking "More Info".

bobtomay
11-26-2007, 08:02 PM
You don't need to figure out anything.
Put the Leopard disk into the drive that is in and came with your black MacBook.
Don't want to do that, then can't help you since that's where the drivers are located.

kirby14
11-26-2007, 08:08 PM
You don't need to figure out anything.
Put the Leopard disk into the drive that is in and came with your black MacBook.
Don't want to do that, then can't help you since that's where the drivers are located.

He's saying windows doesn't even recognize the drive - so it isn't going to be able to read from it to install the drivers.

Kash
11-26-2007, 08:16 PM
Quick question. Have you tried inserting the disc into your drive? And if you haven't, is it because you assume Mac discs can't be read by Windows? If that's the case, then just pop in the disc and I assure you that it'll work.

Now if it's the case where you have put the disc in but it isn't being read, then we have a different problem. We can't blame it on a bad drive since you managed to install Windows using the drive.

Lifeisabeach
11-26-2007, 09:19 PM
You don't need to figure out anything.
Put the Leopard disk into the drive that is in and came with your black MacBook.
Don't want to do that, then can't help you since that's where the drivers are located.
If you can't take the time to read and comprehend what he's saying, then you shouldn't be contradicting other people's advice. He's saying (or seems to be saying) that Windows isn't recognizing disks that are dual-formatted for OS X and Windows content. So my advice still stands.

cwa107
11-26-2007, 09:26 PM
whats the point if windows driver doenst recon my dual layer dvd with os x contents?

Question: Are you using a commercially-produced, original retail copy of Leopard? Or is it a backup?

bobtomay
11-26-2007, 09:47 PM
If you can't take the time to read and comprehend what he's saying, then you shouldn't be contradicting other people's advice. He's saying (or seems to be saying) that Windows isn't recognizing disks that are dual-formatted for OS X and Windows content. So my advice still stands.

And you my friend apparently have not used BootCamp and installed Windows nor the drivers onto your machine.

I full well understand clearly what he is saying. You may make "assumptions" as to what he has done if you wish. I do not.

All we have been told so far is that windows cannot read OS X files ("dvd's with Mac stuff" to quote it accurately) - no argument there.
He has not told us that he has put the Leopard disk in this machine and it didn't work. If that was the case, the help would be quite different.

If he has a legitimate / legal copy of Leopard - all he has to do is pop it into the drive.

If his copy of Leopard is not legitimate (or illegal) then no, it probably does not have the drivers on it, and he will in that case get no help from the members on this board.

MacHeadCase
11-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Exactly, bobtomay. A legal retail copy of Leopard contains everything that the OP needs.

Lifeisabeach
11-26-2007, 11:40 PM
And you my friend apparently have not used BootCamp and installed Windows nor the drivers onto your machine.

I full well understand clearly what he is saying. You may make "assumptions" as to what he has done if you wish. I do not.

All we have been told so far is that windows cannot read OS X files ("dvd's with Mac stuff" to quote it accurately) - no argument there.
He has not told us that he has put the Leopard disk in this machine and it didn't work. If that was the case, the help would be quite different.

If he has a legitimate / legal copy of Leopard - all he has to do is pop it into the drive.

If his copy of Leopard is not legitimate (or illegal) then no, it probably does not have the drivers on it, and he will in that case get no help from the members on this board.

I most certainly have used Boot Camp and installed Windows. Just because my experience has been relatively flawless (which even that is a stretch to say) doesn't mean all others will be. It also seemed rather obvious to me he had tried inserting his DVD and Windows wasn't recognizing it. Ok... he didn't outright SAY that, but it's a stretch to just accuse him of not having actually done so and that he was merely assuming it wouldn't be seen, especially after being told to do insert the DVD. Fine... I assumed he did, you assumed he didn't. At least I gave him the benefit of doubt.

As pointed out, maybe he has a bootlegged copy of the install DVD, which is a plausible explanation. If not, then maybe he just should try what I suggested, rather than essentially being told to ignore me. There is a method to my madness. :|

Lifeisabeach
11-27-2007, 12:25 AM
*smacks forehead* Durnit I feel like a knucklehead. IIRC, you don't normally have special drivers for CD or DVD drives in Windows... it's the bus that may need driver updates if something is acting whacky, or a firmware update for the drive. I don't recall ever having to install or update a driver for a drive. I'm getting too rusty on Windows troubleshooting. Which I'm not entirely sure is a bad thing...

So ya... ignore everything I said before.

rhoodtay
11-27-2007, 12:30 AM
well, I haven't read everything posted here, but I had a very similar problem to the one you are currently having. First, did the windows you install have SP2? This is critical, because at first I installed SP1 Windows XP home edition and everything seemed to work fine only it wouldn't recognize the windows drivers dvd I had made. Then I did some research and realized I needed Service Pack 2. I could still use the code that came with my service pack one discs, I just needed to borrow a friends xp disc that had service pack 2. After that I used my Windows Drivers Disc (which I created through the boot camp program) and everything worked great, it even recognized my mac mighty mouse when I was running windows. Hope this was somewhat helpful, and if not, good luck.

cwa107
11-27-2007, 09:59 AM
well, I haven't read everything posted here, but I had a very similar problem to the one you are currently having. First, did the windows you install have SP2? This is critical, because at first I installed SP1 Windows XP home edition and everything seemed to work fine only it wouldn't recognize the windows drivers dvd I had made. Then I did some research and realized I needed Service Pack 2. I could still use the code that came with my service pack one discs, I just needed to borrow a friends xp disc that had service pack 2. After that I used my Windows Drivers Disc (which I created through the boot camp program) and everything worked great, it even recognized my mac mighty mouse when I was running windows. Hope this was somewhat helpful, and if not, good luck.

It's a little different in Boot Camp under Leopard. The Leopard DVD actually has all of the drivers installed on it. So, you no longer are tasked with creating a driver disc, instead, you simply pop in your Leopard DVD and away it goes.

Apple has taken great pains to ensure that installing Windows under Boot Camp is a smooth process. In my experience, providing that you are using one of the specified versions (XP SP2 is specifically mentioned), and the Leopard disc is a valid one, then it usually is.

ilja.olijevskis
11-27-2007, 10:23 AM
Hmm.... well poping in the Leopard Cd just doesnt work! So i still dont know what to do...
Oh and by the way, its a LEGIT version on Leopard that is the most confusing thing to me.

cwa107
11-27-2007, 10:37 AM
Hmm.... well poping in the Leopard Cd just doesnt work! So i still dont know what to do...
Oh and by the way, its a LEGIT version on Leopard that is the most confusing thing to me.

What happens when you open it from My Computer?

ilja.olijevskis
11-27-2007, 10:47 AM
Umm i hear the noise the computer has read it, but it appears as an empty cd..

cwa107
11-27-2007, 11:14 AM
Umm i hear the noise the computer has read it, but it appears as an empty cd..

OK, this may sound silly, but you are using the internal Superdrive, correct? This is not a USB or external drive of some sort? I only ask because the Leopard installation disc is a DVD and as such, will only work in a DVD drive.

Lifeisabeach
11-27-2007, 12:12 PM
Hmm.... well poping in the Leopard Cd just doesnt work! So i still dont know what to do...
Oh and by the way, its a LEGIT version on Leopard that is the most confusing thing to me.

Ok... now that we've established that you are using a legal copy of Leopard and have actually tried inserting the DVD... which version of Windows do you have installed? Did you install a version of Windows XP that came with SP2 already applied? And... are you using the internal DVD drive that came with the computer, or some 3rd party one? And if 3rd party, how is it connected (internal, external firewire or USB, etc)?

ilja.olijevskis
11-27-2007, 12:27 PM
its internal DVD :) and yeah... Xp with SP2

Lifeisabeach
11-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Ok. Next thing I would do is check for firmware updates for your computer. There are one or two that specifically address issues with Boot Camp, although I don't know the specifics. It certainly can't hurt to try. Go here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
and search by using "firmware" and "your mac model" (iMac, MacBoook, etc) as the search terms.

MACyMouse
11-27-2007, 04:19 PM
How old is your macbook? Only reason I ask is because.. .mine is just over a year old and I had cd's and dvd's that were reading as "blank" when I KNEW there was stuff on it. XP and Leopard!! Turns out that my CD/DVD drive just needed to be cleaned.

Lifeisabeach
11-27-2007, 08:21 PM
ilja... if the firmware updates don't work out, or if cleaning out the drive as MACy suggests doesn't help, here's a couple other things to try:

If you can get online, run Windows Update and install all the updates available. Perhaps there's one that addresses this issue. If that fails, then try deleting the drive from the Device Manager and let Windows re-add it. Hopefully this time it will install the correct drivers.

What part of the problem "may" be is simply Windows XP, being a 7-year-old OS now, may be having trouble recognizing or properly utilizing the latest hardware, assuming you have a relatively new Mac. Sure... Boot Camp should have the drivers it needs, but if Windows can't read the DVD because it doesn't support that drive fully with a fresh install, well loads of good that does!

If the above tips don't work, I have one more idea but I need to try it at home first to be sure you can do what I'm thinking of.

Lifeisabeach
11-28-2007, 12:18 AM
I was doing some more Googling and ran across an article in a forum from someone with the identical problem as yours. One responder recommended using MacDrive in Windows and using an option in that software to read the Windows session on the DVD. They have a fully functional trial version, so I would definitely check into this.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=190924

ilja.olijevskis
11-28-2007, 11:54 AM
yeah Mac drive thing! i have it... had it before i started the topic... So umm, yeah i can hit - read mac contents, but nothing changes.. I am going to try to clean the drive.. Although not sure how to do it... but umm... and i am going to try installing some updates.

MACyMouse
11-28-2007, 12:07 PM
I don't know the "proper" way to clean a drive but I just used a cd/dvd cleaner cd you just pop it in and let the little brushes on the CD clean the lens...

Worked for me....

Lifeisabeach
11-28-2007, 01:55 PM
yeah Mac drive thing! i have it... had it before i started the topic... So umm, yeah i can hit - read mac contents, but nothing changes.. I am going to try to clean the drive.. Although not sure how to do it... but umm... and i am going to try installing some updates.

Just to be absolutely certain... did you follow the directions posted in the link I posted? There were some specific directions there for reading a Windows session.

Also... can you find out what make/model your drive is using "About this Mac"? I'm curious to see if there are any known issues with it. I'm determined to help you solve this puzzle... it's a matter of pride now. ;) Besides... troubleshooting is a great learning experience.

BTW... I found a couple more inquiries while Googling from people with this same problem, one in an Apple forum, so you aren't alone. Unfortunately, no solution seems evident except perhaps the MacDrive one. You may have to wind up trying a different drive if all else fails.

ilja.olijevskis
11-29-2007, 04:09 AM
GOT IT!
Someone posted on internet Bootcamp win xp files for leopard! Now the problem is that i didnt put enough room for my win xp :)