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ckristoff
10-05-2017, 10:28 AM
Hello friends,

I'm still confused about how to start using my Mac. Ok, I have a USB adapter, with 4 USB3 ports, which I haven't used yet. Am I correct in thinking that each port is assigned to a particular pereipheral, which must not be swapped to a different port? So If I now need to take off 1 of my peripherals in order to plug in my new adapter; I'm assuming I need to tell my Mac that a peripheral is being disconnected and then I plug it into another port. How do I do this please?

When I get my act together, I need to set up my Canon 7D camera, with Canon's DPP software, which I believe I need to download. When I finally get round to doing this, I need to start using Photoshop Elements. Then I would like to store my photos into organised folders on my desktop. Can you please advise how I do this?

On the bottom of the screen, there is a folder which shows downloads. When I click on it, it opens up several folders, some of which are duplicates? How do I delete files I don't wish to keep?

Last question for now. I have an external hard drive, so if I transfer files onto this ( how do I do this ), I can delete them, so no space is wasted on Apple Mac storage. I can even store some files on the Cloud, can you explain how to do this - I've never used cloud.

I thank you in advance for all your help. One day I'll stop asking questions!:)


Frank.

IWT
10-05-2017, 11:15 AM
Hi Frank


I'm still confused about how to start using my Mac. Ok, I have a USB adapter, with 4 USB3 ports, which I haven't used yet. Am I correct in thinking that each port is assigned to a particular pereipheral, which must not be swapped to a different port? So If I now need to take off 1 of my peripherals in order to plug in my new adapter; I'm assuming I need to tell my Mac that a peripheral is being disconnected and then I plug it into another port. How do I do this please?

When you connect - we normally use the word "mount" - a peripheral, say, a USB stick or External Hard Drive (EHD), this will usually show up as an icon on your Desktop.

If it doesn't, you can arrange for this to happen. Go into Finder > Preferences > General and check the boxes as shown below.

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When you wish to disconnect/unmount a peripheral, Right Click on the Desktop icon and choose "Eject". There are other ways of achieving the same result, but the bottom line is that you must "Eject" the item before disconnecting.

This applies whether you are connecting directly to the Mac or via a Hub.


When I get my act together, I need to set up my Canon 7D camera

You don't have to download any software because Apple should automatically recognise the camera, bring up thumbnails of your pictures, and allow you to download them to wherever you want - for this you would be best using "Image Capture" found in Applications > Image Capture.

But - why not import them into the ready-made and designed Apple "Photos" app where you can edit to your heart's content? The edit facilities available are pretty close to Elements, and free.

And please don't "Store" anything on your Desktop. It is a working space and is not designed for storage, and certainly not organised folders of photos. Store things like photos in "Pictures" or the "Photos app" for which it is ideally suited. It does it all for you. Organises, recognises Faces, creates memories and lots more.

All other things generally go into "Documents".


On the bottom of the screen, there is a folder which shows downloads

Downloads Folder should be considered as temporary storage only. Go into Finder and on the left you will see "Downloads". Click to open. Either move things into Documents (or Photos) that you want to keep. To delete - click to highlight and use Command + Backspace. This moves things to the Trash.


I have an external hard drive, so if I transfer files onto this ( how do I do this )

Mount the External Hard Drive (EHD). To move data, highlight it then:

1. Drag and Drop them onto the EHD icon (on the Desktop).

2. Copy/Paste them to the EHD, then delete the originals (better if you have shaky hands!). (Copy is Command C. Paste is Command V)

NB. If you move data from your Mac to the EHD, your only copy is on that EHD - no Backup (BU).


One day I'll stop asking questions

Don't do that; keep asking.

Ian

ckristoff
10-05-2017, 11:43 AM
Hello Ian,

thank you so much for your wonderful answers. To make sure that I don't forget them, I've figured out how to print this thread, using Command P!

I think I do need to download the Canon software, as I would like to use DPP and Eos Utilities, with the camera.


Frank.

ckristoff
10-05-2017, 01:33 PM
Ok friends,

I'm trying to do things and I'm stuck.

1. I went to www.canon.co.uk. I want to download the DPP software to use with my 7D. I thought I downloaded something, but it's only an image called -
dppm3.15-O-updater.dmg. Now when I click on it, there's no response. What dmg means, I just don't know. I went to finder, and somehow found the image file, which I tried to click on again. Page opens, and it asks insert the software disc. Now my camera is 7 years old and I simply cannot find the disc for it. I've phoned Canon support, who are very busy, so I left message, hoping they ring me back.

2. I then looked for Canon i9950 printer, using search. Apparently my Mac cannot find it! For the printer, I found the programme disc and inserted it into my Apple disc drive. That's as far as I have got. I don't think I can find the disc drive on my Mac, and it has a disc inside it, which I don't know how to eject. Can you please help me?


Frank.

badshoehabit
10-05-2017, 02:04 PM
I found the programme disc and inserted it into my Apple disc drive. That's as far as I have got. I don't think I can find the disc drive on my Mac, and it has a disc inside it, which I don't know how to eject. Can you please help me?

Open Finder and the disk will be listed. It should load automatically but try again. Click on the up arrow beside it to eject.

Will have a look at the Canon website and see if I can find anything useful. Beware, though, that older Canon printers and camera may not be compatible with the latest OS on Macs.

Later

That printer is not compatible with Sierra... https://www.canon.co.uk/support/consumer_products/products/printers/inkjet/i_series/bubble_jet_i9950.aspx?type=drivers&language=&os=macOS%2010.12%20(Sierra)

It is possible to fool the Mac into loading an update for images without the original software disc but it's complicated. http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/install-canon-camera-software-without-cd/

Have a look at Photos, as Ian suggests. It has an adaptable filing system and has a good editing suite and can be used with PS Elements for anything more elaborate. I am a keen photographer and rarely use PSE. I'd seriously recommend a Photos session with your Apple Store.

ckristoff
10-05-2017, 02:18 PM
Hello Sue,

so the printer ain't compatible? What do I do now? My wife will not entertain that I buy a new printer!

Frank.

badshoehabit
10-05-2017, 02:29 PM
Ho hum...how about next month? You will get a modern, wifi printer for about £60. Honestly, if I were you, I'd hotfoot back to Curry's, tell them they sold you iCloud and virus software you did not need and you want a printer for nothing as your old one is not compatible. Shy bairns get nowt!

ckristoff
10-05-2017, 03:09 PM
Wow, I was expecting to hear such news!

Still, I have a disc stuck in my Mac disc drive and I don't know how to get the disc out!


Frank.

IWT
10-05-2017, 03:35 PM
Hullo again, Frank.


Still, I have a disc stuck in my Mac disc drive and I don't know how to get the disc out!

Assuming your Mac's specifications are, as advertised under your name, then you must be using a third party Disk Drive. It's many years since iMacs had an internal optical drive.

Look at your Desktop. If your Finder settings are as I suggested above (post #2), then your Disk Drive will visible. Right click on the Disk Drive icon and choose "Eject" from the menu.

If it's not on your Desktop, then open Finder and, on the left, under devices, your Disk Drive should be shown. Do the same thing; Right click, choose Eject.

Ian

ckristoff
10-05-2017, 03:59 PM
Hello Ian, I definitely purchased an Apple Superdrive, but in Finder, I only see Remote Disc. Also my right clicker isn't on, as I don't know how to do it. So I still don't know how to eject the disc.

Dare I say, I simply unplug the USB cable and try to install it again? I'm feeling quite deflated and useless - especially as my photo printer isn't compatible. I've asked friends on a photo forum, to see if there's a workaround that I can use.


Frank.

pigoo3
10-05-2017, 04:25 PM
My wife will not entertain that I buy a new printer!

I think that the wife will be ok with a new printer...if you get her a new fur coat or diamond ring. Or I'm pretty sure Sue will agree...a new pair of shoes!;) Lol

- Nick

IWT
10-05-2017, 05:33 PM
Hi Frank


Also my right clicker isn't on, as I don't know how to do it.

In one of your other threads, I explained how you could arrange the settings so that you had Left Click and Right Click on your Mouse OR Left Click only and Control + Click.

I am assuming you can see the Super Drive? - it must have a CD/DVD inserted to be visible; but you say that such a disk is in the Super Drive; so it should show on your Desktop (if your settings are as I suggested above - post #2.) Or in Finder).

If you can see the Super Drive, try holding down the Control key and then Click on the Super Drive icon - choose Eject. (the Control key is the second from the left, bottom row of your keyboard).

If your Super Drive cannot be seen on the Desktop nor in Finder - how is it connected to your Mac? By USB, obviously, but directly to the Mac or via the Hub?

There is a way to force-eject the Disk from Super Drive, but I don't want to advise on that till I know whether you can see it & how it is connected.


I'm feeling quite deflated and useless

We've all been there with new things. Don't give up, friend. It'll all work out.

Ian

badshoehabit
10-05-2017, 05:52 PM
I'm wondering if you have the superdrive the right way up - which is with the Apple logo on the underside (don't ask), the writing on the disk uppermost. If the logo is on top and you inserted the disc thinking it was the 'right way up', it wasn't. (I did that.) The drive won't read the disc but you can still eject the disc. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/ht201788

Maybe you are trying to do too much at once - printing, disc drives, downloads, etc. Get to know the keyboard and set up the mouse to do what you want, then advance onto other things. We were all new starters once.

IWT
10-05-2017, 06:13 PM
Good point about the Super Drive being right way up, Sue.

I can't recall the number of times I've mentioned this in the past. Interesting that in June 2017, Apple senses the need to emphasise this point in the article you linked. The Super Drive has been around for a good few years.

Proof that its design doesn't intuitively suggest which side should be uppermost.

Ian

harryb2448
10-06-2017, 02:13 AM
Reboot the Mini and hold down the mouse button and see if it pops out Problem can be caused by, as suggested, popping a DVD/CD in upside down, or using printed labels on the disc.

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 02:05 PM
Hello Sue,

I've just clicked on Finder, it shows Remote Disc, but has no arrow next to it. I expected it to say Apple Superdrive, for example, as I DO have the Apple product.

The software disc is still inside the disc drive - I've got no clue what to do, and I feel miserable.


Frank.

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 02:17 PM
Hello Ian,

my Superdrive is connected directly to the Mac, via USB. I attempted your advised Control key and click on the icon, and selected " eject only Remote Disc ", but nothing has happened. The other thing I can mention, is that the Superdrive has no light in it, as if it may be faulty?

I remember your reply to my right mouse click, I got confused. Maybe I ought to try Left Click only and Control and Click. Have I already done that, with the Control button?

Frank.

badshoehabit
10-06-2017, 02:22 PM
I think that's because the disc is in the wrong way round - the drive won't show unless it has a recognisable disc. This is how mine appears when it has a disc inserted - OPTD111.

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Follow Harry's suggestion to eject it.
Reboot the Mini and hold down the mouse button and see if it pops out Problem can be caused by, as suggested, popping a DVD/CD in upside down, or using printed labels on the disc.

You may also have a key on your keyboard with an icon that looks like an up arrow with a single line underneath (as on my pic above) - that's the eject button.

No light on the drive - you get a whir sound when it's working.

Please don't be disheartened. It's only a machine and you will win in the end. My freezer died overnight so I've spent all day trying to buy a new one to fit the space (success) and rescuing as much food as possible (a lot in the bin). The pets are benefiting!

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 02:38 PM
Hello Sue, thank you for that link. I've just discovered that this keyboard has an eject button on the top right corner. Very clever and super duper! :D.

So, I do have my Superdrive the right way up, and I did insert the disc correctly. My question is, do I put a music CD in the drive to see how it sounds on the Mac? By playing Youtube videos, I find the sound quality of my Mac very pleasing. Or I'll wait until tomorrow!

AS for doing too much at once? I simply want to use my Mac, in a similar fashion to how I used my PC. I ain't computer literate, so I can't achieve much to begin with. My son would say I'm boring.

I would like to thank all my friends here for your very patient help - I am grateful.


Frank.

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 02:45 PM
Hello Sue, thank you for your time. I'm sorry to hear about your freezer experience. That happened to us some years ago; our freezer died through the night, before Christmas Eve! We lost loads of food, but managed to get a replacement freezer, the same day!

I discovered the eject button - what a dream! I'm sure PCs don't have that!

Frank.

badshoehabit
10-06-2017, 02:49 PM
YES SUCCESS!!! You can play music, watch films and load software with the Super drive. It opens automatically and may take up all the screen. To access the dock again, press 'esc' key. Turn the sound up all the way to 11 - Spinal Tap was the disc I put in mine to see what appeared in Finder!

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 02:56 PM
Hello friends,

thank you all for your kind help. This forum is really one of the friendliest on the 'net, and I am grateful.

Yes, the superdrive is only a machine, but thanks to the advice I've received, I discover this keyboard has an eject button - marvellous! Now I'm wondering, if I'm brave enough to put a music CD in the drive? I'd better stick to Youtube for now!

I've ordered a book from Amazon, written by a nice lady who will help me in this transition from going from PC to Apple Mac. I should have it by Monday.

Feeling happier than I did last night!


Frank.

ckristoff
10-06-2017, 03:02 PM
Wow! Look at you, Sue! Spinal Tap? I've heard of it, it may be a bit wild for me! I like Beatles, Beach Boys and lots of 60's music at best. Also Pink Floyd and Blues music, especially modern electric blues guitar. I don't do much with films - I'm boring.

So the Superdrive simply works automatically? Why is there no icon for it on the desktop, like My Passport for Mac hard drive?


Frank.

nickyr
10-06-2017, 06:20 PM
So the Superdrive simply works automatically? Why is there no icon for it on the desktop, like My Passport for Mac hard drive?


Open the Finder.
In the menu bar click on Finder and then Preferences
Then in the General Tab make sure the box alongside "CD's, DVD's and iPods" is ticked

Whenever you insert a disc in your superdrive an icon will show up on your desktop. Without a disc there is no icon as there's no media to show.

nickyr
10-06-2017, 06:23 PM
This forum is really one of the friendliest on the 'net,

you're not wrong there. this is a really nice place :-)

badshoehabit
10-07-2017, 08:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSV4OteqBE

This is the classic clip of 'goes up to 11'. The film is hilarious, even funnier 30+ years after release.

ckristoff
10-08-2017, 04:32 PM
Hello Sue,

I just watched that clip - very good.

OK, I gave my Mac a rest for past 2 days.


What I need to get in my head now, is to learn how to bookmark Favourite websites, as I go along.

I need to learn how to use photos on here. I haven't connected my camera yet. I suppose I save new photos, to the Photos programme on the dock; then I'll save them to the external hard drive and delete them from Photos on the dock?

I've seen a programme on here called Garage Band - not too sure how I'll use this; I have 3 guitars, but can't play very well, same with a keyboard! :D. I just like buying toys - like this machine!

That's enough to get on with.



Frank.

ckristoff
10-08-2017, 04:41 PM
Hello friends, I just looked at some older posts, at the top of Switcher Hangout. It says not to install anti-virus. Well the store I bought my Mac from, installed McAfee, so can you advise how do I uninstall this nonsense? I don't want to make mistakes.

Thank you, Frank.

MacInWin
10-08-2017, 09:32 PM
Frank, bookmarking in Safari is pretty easy. Basically, when you are at a website for which you want to keep the bookmark, click on Bookmarks on the top bar and then tell Safari where you want to save the bookmark. There are other ways to do it, but that's the easiest, IMHO.

I'm not a Photos expert, but if you choose to use it, when you attach the camera to the Mac, Photos will probably open and offer to download everything from the camera to Photos. If you do that, the images will be stored in a database within Photos and will NOT be individual files on the Mac. So there won't be any need to "hen I'll save them to the external hard drive and delete them from Photos on the dock." Just let Photos store the images. If you don't want them on the internal drive of the Mac, then you can set up Photos to store the database on a different drive, but if I were you, I would do that before I did any importing of images so that the database starts out in the proper location.

Another way to get images from camera to Mac is to use an application you have called Image Capture. Again, connect the camera and open Image Capture. Point Image Capture to the phone, select the photos you want copied and tell Image Capture where you want the files. In this case the images are going to be on the Mac as files. You can then import them to Photos and delete the separate files, or leave them there, or do whatever you want.

You will find that on Mac products there are usually more than one way to get things done. We each get to use whatever we find natural to us.

nickyr
10-09-2017, 04:43 AM
Hello friends, I just looked at some older posts, at the top of Switcher Hangout. It says not to install anti-virus. Well the store I bought my Mac from, installed McAfee, so can you advise how do I uninstall this nonsense? I don't want to make mistakes.

Thank you, Frank.

Frank
I provided a link in your other thread but here it is again: https://service.mcafee.com/webcenter/portal/cp/home/articleview;jsessionid=CtIAFh9Nfc_HMPMZpEqn71HVjpf EpcxZfImnN7248RZFbl1f6UXb!1843843069!-930056727?articleId=TS101226&centerWidth=100%25&leftWidth=0%25&rightWidth=0%25&showFooter=false&showHeader=false&_adf.ctrl-state=9dmtq3ou3_4&_afrLoop=3590675313486206#!%40%40%3F_afrLoop%3D359 0675313486206%26articleId%3DTS101226%26centerWidth %3D100%2525%26leftWidth%3D0%2525%26rightWidth%3D0% 2525%26showFooter%3Dfalse%26showHeader%3Dfalse%26_ adf.ctrl-state%3Dmox0v1i2l_4

ckristoff
10-09-2017, 07:31 AM
Hello Jake,
thank you for your reply. I've printed out your reply, so I can refer to it again.

I've just noticed the Bookmarks function, on the top of the screen. Ok, when I get to use it, will I be able to organise things as I did on internet explorer? For example, if I visit photography sites, I can group them all together, and if I visit radio stations, I can put together in their own space?


Frank.

ckristoff
10-09-2017, 07:32 AM
Hello nickyr thank you once again. I'm not trying to ignore you, honestly. As the title says - I'm an old fool!

I'll click the link now and take a look.


Frank.

ckristoff
10-09-2017, 07:39 AM
Hello Nickyr, I've printed off the information from your link.

It says in there after emptying Trashcan, to restart the computer. Now I've used empty Trashcan on 2 occasions, and didn't know about the restart action. Does it matter?

Frank.

IWT
10-09-2017, 08:26 AM
the restart action. Does it matter?

Yes. It's part of the uninstall process.

Ian

MacInWin
10-09-2017, 12:07 PM
Hello Jake,
thank you for your reply. I've printed out your reply, so I can refer to it again.

I've just noticed the Bookmarks function, on the top of the screen. Ok, when I get to use it, will I be able to organise things as I did on internet explorer? For example, if I visit photography sites, I can group them all together, and if I visit radio stations, I can put together in their own space?


Frank.Yes, bookmarks can be grouped into folders of bookmarks and edited in any way you want. All of that is accessible through that menu item.

Slydude
10-10-2017, 12:56 AM
You might find this page (https://support.apple.com/guide/safari/use-bookmarks-ibrw1039) helpful. I know the tips are far High Sierra but they should also work for the version of Safari that is included with Sierra.

ckristoff
10-12-2017, 11:42 AM
Hello Slydude,

thank you very much for the link above - I've printed it off for reference.

Frank.

ckristoff
10-12-2017, 11:44 AM
Hello friends,

here I am again! I've got a Canon Pixma iP7520 printer. My daughter tells me it's wireless. My question today is, how do I install this printer, to work with my Mac, please?

Frank.

chscag
10-12-2017, 07:18 PM
Canon supplies detailed instructions with their printers to get them working wireless. Our advice is instead of us trying to show you how, it would be much easier for you to have those instructions in front of you and to follow them step by step. You might also need to have your router's instructions handy at the same time.

nickyr
10-13-2017, 10:47 AM
Hello friends,

here I am again! I've got a Canon Pixma iP7520 printer. My daughter tells me it's wireless. My question today is, how do I install this printer, to work with my Mac, please?

Frank.

your printer is WPS enabled so if your router is too, this is by far the easiest way to connect it to your network.

press the wifi/wps button on your printer until it starts to flash, then press the WPS button on your router and viola, your printer should be connected.

https://www.canon.co.uk/support/consumer_products/pixma_printer_wireless_connection_setup/ip7250_printer_wireless_connection_setup/?type=

harryb2448
10-13-2017, 04:14 PM
Making sure the computer, router and printer are all switched on, and wifi is turned on in the menu bar and up and running.

ckristoff
10-19-2017, 01:48 PM
Hello nickyr, hello harryb2448,

thank you for your advice. I believe the printer is now connected. I'll test it tomorrow.


Frank.

harryb2448
10-19-2017, 04:23 PM
And then maybe Frank, time to move on to High Sierra lol?

ckristoff
10-26-2017, 01:47 PM
Hello harryb2448,

I'm not sure when, I'll upgrade to High Sierra, I can't even use what I've got yet. Since my last post, I've been busy with family stuff and medical appointments. I've got 3 appointments early January. Around all this, I'm attempting to go walking - I've just returned from my 2nd walk today. This weekend my wife and I travel to Cardiff and Newport, to collect our grandson for half-term, so perhaps next week is cancelled! :D

I haven't done any serious work on my Mac, not even set it up yet. Haven't connected my camera to it yet. Indeed, I've still got my old PC to set-up as standby. It runs Windows 7 by the way.

All I'm currently doing on the Mac so far, is emails, Facebook and youtube - such fun!


Frank.

ckristoff
10-26-2017, 01:50 PM
I've still got to go through all the information I've printed off, so thank you for all your replies.

I haven't read the first book I bought "Switch from PC to Mac".

I've also bought another magazine called "Mac for Beginners". Which of course I'll have to start reading soon.



Frank.

ckristoff
10-26-2017, 05:01 PM
Hello friends,

I'm trying to set up my Mac, using the book Switch from PC to Mac. However I can't religiously follow what the nice lady is suggesting, as she is using a Mac laptop!

Anyway, I've turned on the firewall, so that's one good thing. She mentions Gatekeeper. What is it and how do I use it please?

I'm attempting to play with my Mac, using the 2 publications I've bought. I'm just trying avoid asking too many dumb questions!


Frank.

MacInWin
10-26-2017, 05:13 PM
Gatekeeper is simply Apple's way to try to minimize the malware you install. Basically, in System Preferences, Security and Privacy, at the bottom of the box you will see a section headed by "Allow apps downloaded from" with some options. That is Gatekeeper. The default is "App Store and identified developers" which means that you can get apps from Apple's app store and from developers who have registered with Apple. Those two are pretty safe. But if you want to be able to download apps from anywhere, you can read this article on how to use Terminal to have a third option, "Anywhere" appear. Selecting Anywhere then turns off Gatekeeper and you are on your own.

https://www.tekrevue.com/tip/gatekeeper-macos-sierra/

ckristoff
10-26-2017, 05:25 PM
Hello Jake,

thanks for your reply. I'll check that link tomorrow, I've been on my Mac too long.

Is Gatekeeper already on? Terminal sounds like I'd turn my Mac into a PC! No thank you.



Frank.

Rod Sprague
10-26-2017, 09:43 PM
Hi ckristoff, I guess that means you have the printer hooked up successfully. It sounds to me that you have the basics all worked out and the device is fulfilling your needs for now. There is no doubt that all the books can be very helpful but they can also be heavy reading. I think the real key to learning is maintaining an interest. At 65 I have never lost interest in macOS and I have adopted a practice of looking up anything I don't understand or beleive there may be another/easier way of achieving. Just being a contributor to this forum has taught me a lot. In the end you will forget the things you don't need today and remember the ones you do. So long as you keep questioning things you will inevitably learn what you need.
Lastly always consider what you are about to do before you do it. I have been known to write down the steps of a process just to ensure I could undo it. If all else fails a full backup is the best insurance you can have.

MacInWin
10-27-2017, 12:09 AM
Yes, Gatekeeper is on by default. In fact, to turn it off you have to use Terminal commands. You only have the two choices of how aggressive it is otherwise.

ckristoff
11-03-2017, 09:04 AM
Thank you for your reply, Rod.

I'm afraid I'm still very slow making progress on my Mac. I've been busy with doctors and hospitals. Also my grandchildren are home with us.

I haven't even connected my camera yet, so I don't know what photos can do. The other day, I was an hour on the phone with Microsoft support, so at least I can use Word. Of course I now Apple has its own version, but I didn't know it at the time of purchase. Went I turn on my Mac, the screen for Apple mail opens up - can I use this instead of Googlemail, with which I'm already comfortable. I like Safari, so I don't need Google chrome.

Still trying to understand too many things on the Mac, my brain ain't clever. I recently bought a book on Sierra, that ought to help.


Frank.

MacInWin
11-03-2017, 09:47 AM
There used to be a photos user guide at Apple.com in the Support area. I just tried to get a link and it seems to be lost. But you can try there for yourself. There are also lots of other links in the Photos section at Apple that may also lead to the user guide, but I didn't explore all of them. https://support.apple.com/photos

You need some definitions: Mail is an application that can, if you want, be used to manage your mail. It runs on the Mac, can access just about any mail server, including Google. Google is a provider of mail services, called Googlemail. It can be accessed through either a mail application like Mail, or with a browser. From your description, it sounds like you use a browser to visit Google to check your mail. That's fine, but you can also let Mail fetch your emails for you from Google if you want.

ckristoff
11-03-2017, 10:02 AM
Thank you Jake,

maybe I'll keep it simple and just use goggle mail.

IWT
11-03-2017, 11:22 AM
@ckristoff


I don't know what photos can do

Here are a couple of step-by-step guides on how to use the Photos app - when you've got the time:)O:)

http://www.macworld.com/article/2965934/software-photography/the-hidden-editing-power-of-photos-for-os-x.html#tk.nl_macwk
http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/photos-for-mac-os-x-out-now-questions-download-advice-3586301/

Ian

ckristoff
11-05-2017, 02:45 PM
Hello Ian,

thank you for your links, I'll take a look when I can.


As for emails - I'll stick with googlemmil, it's what I know.



Frank.

ckristoff
11-23-2017, 11:02 AM
Hello friends,

I'm sorry I haven't been here for a while, and I haven't made any further progress. I'm busy with my wife doing grandparent duties. Also I have several medical appointments coming up, including my 5th cancer check-up next week. Another item taking up our time, is dealing with our builder, who's building our new bungalow, as we're downsizing. I still use the Mac, but haven't had time to learn new tricks with it.

On 2 occasions, I've had pop-up message about High Sierra. Do I need to do this right away? I'm a little intimidated by this, as I have no clue how to go about it. I've heard about back-up, what size usb stick to I need for this? Recently bought a book called macOS Sierra in easy steps. Of course, I haven't read it yet. Should I decide to upgrade, would this book still be useful?

Frank.

ckristoff
11-23-2017, 11:08 AM
Another question,

when I logon to my emails or Facebook, a box opens in the middle of the screen, I think you call it a workspace? to the left of it is another box, which cannot figure out how to close. It has 4 items on it. At the top of this column are 2 boxes, the one on the left is white and shows an open book, to the right is a blue box which shows a pair of glasses./ Could you advise please how I get rid of this item? it interferes with how my Facebook page looks.

Thank you, Frank.

IWT
11-23-2017, 11:27 AM
Hi Frank


On 2 occasions, I've had pop-up message about High Sierra. Do I need to do this right away?

Absolutely not. And stop worrying about it. :) Your current OS, macOS Sierra, is entirely suitable for what you are doing and, in any case, the newest OS, macOS High Sierra is still in its infancy and, like infants, has a few teething problems.

My advice: get to grips with Sierra first; upgrade when convenient. Plenty of time, no rush.

Ian

badshoehabit
11-23-2017, 01:38 PM
Another question,

when I logon to my emails or Facebook, a box opens in the middle of the screen, I think you call it a workspace? to the left of it is another box, which cannot figure out how to close. It has 4 items on it. At the top of this column are 2 boxes, the one on the left is white and shows an open book, to the right is a blue box which shows a pair of glasses./ Could you advise please how I get rid of this item? it interferes with how my Facebook page looks.

Thank you, Frank.

Can you post a screen shot? Cmd+Shift+3. It will be store on your desktop. To post the pic here, click on the Insert image icon and find your image. 27469

bbnck
11-26-2017, 12:59 PM
Another question,

when I logon to my emails or Facebook, a box opens in the middle of the screen, I think you call it a workspace? to the left of it is another box, which cannot figure out how to close. It has 4 items on it. At the top of this column are 2 boxes, the one on the left is white and shows an open book, to the right is a blue box which shows a pair of glasses./ Could you advise please how I get rid of this item? it interferes with how my Facebook page looks.

Thank you, Frank.

Does this happen immediately after you attempt to login to Facebook? If that's the case, it might be the website itself and not your computer. For us to be certain we'll need to see a screenshot of what you're seeing. When you see the problem on screen, press "Command", "Shift" and "4" on your keyboard. Afterwards, left-click on your mouse and start dragging your mouse over the area of the screen where the problem is - you'll see a grey box appear which indicates the part of your screen that you want to take a screenshot of. Once you've finished highlighting the area of the screen, let go of the left-click button on your mouse to save the screenshot - you'll find it saved on your desktop. You can then attach the screenshot to this thread for us to see. To include the screenshot in your reply here, click on the icon that looks like a tree - it's the third icon from the end of the list (see the screenshot from "badshoehabit" on the previous page to see what the icon looks like).

ckristoff
11-26-2017, 02:51 PM
Thanks Ian. I'm way behind, in my attempt to learn about Mac Sierra.

ckristoff
11-26-2017, 03:01 PM
Hello Sue, wow, you're expecting a lot, from an old 'un like me, but I'll have a go now, I've saved it to desktop and I'll attempt to put it here. Thank you, Frank.

Er, I tried to do what you say, but I can't find the image I want in order to insert it here. I can see it on my desktop. It's called Screen Shot 2017-11-...18.54.11. What do I do?


Dumb and dumber crosses my mind!

ckristoff
11-26-2017, 03:05 PM
Thank you bunch,

I've attempted it using it how Sue explained, and I still can't achieve it.


Frank.

ckristoff
11-26-2017, 03:09 PM
Hello friends, it is me again.

So far I haven't installed any malware protection. Sorry that's me being lazy. Which is the best one please?


Frank.

badshoehabit
11-27-2017, 09:09 AM
Malwarebytes is the recommended malware app.


Hello Sue, wow, you're expecting a lot, from an old 'un like me, but I'll have a go now, I've saved it to desktop and I'll attempt to put it here. Thank you, Frank.

Er, I tried to do what you say, but I can't find the image I want in order to insert it here. I can see it on my desktop. It's called Screen Shot 2017-11-...18.54.11. What do I do?


Dumb and dumber crosses my mind!

Click on the Insert Image icon > From computer > Choose file (Image 1.) > Desktop > find your screenshot (best to view as a list) > Open > Upload File (image 2)....and it will pop into the post as a number. It will probably be huge but don't worry about that. We just want to see what you see.

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ckristoff
12-18-2017, 07:39 AM
Hello friends, apologies I haven't been here. I haven't made any progress on my Mac. Life gets in the way, and I've got flu. Only reason I'm posting this, is because I'm home alone.

I shall try once more to insert my screen shot.


Frank.

ckristoff
12-18-2017, 07:52 AM
Hope this works!

I'm afraid I failed. Message came up. Dimensions for this filetype ( png ) are 1500 x 1500. We were unable to resize your file, so you'll need to do so manually and upload it again. Your file is currently 5120 x 2880.

Well, I tried and I was almost there - so what to do next, I haven't got a clue.

Here I am, thinking Apple Mac is supposed to be brilliant. I haven't read my books yet on Sierra. Probably after Christmas. Then I'll still be busy, waiting for my new bungalow to be finished, so I can move in. Since my previous posts, I haven't achieved anything on my Mac. I just do emails and Facebook.


Frank.

IWT
12-18-2017, 08:12 AM
Hi Frank

Hope this helps:

Double click on your screenshot or image and, by default, it should open in Preview.

Now Click on "Tools" as in my screenshot below, then click on "Adjust Size" as per the yellow arrow.

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This will open a window like this:

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The yellow arrow points to the Width. Reduce this to anything lower than 1500, by simply typing the number you want in that box. In many cases, this can be reduced to nearer 500. In fact, I would suggest you keep the number well below 1500.

Ian

ckristoff
12-18-2017, 12:18 PM
Hello Ian, thank you for your reply.

I'm afraid I'm still not understand the instructions you've given me. I double clicked on Screenshot, something happens, a new page, which disappears behind THIS page.

I've seen the 2 pages you supplied me with, I've tried to re-size the image, but I simply don't know how to apply the image to my reply post.

As I say, I'm an old fool. Members here need a lot of patience with me.


Frank.

MacInWin
12-18-2017, 01:31 PM
ckristoff, let's try it another way. Open Preview by double clicking on it in the Applications Folder or the Dock. It should then prompt you to select a file. Select the shot you took, the one that was too large. It should then open in Preview. Now, on the top bar of the screen it should say "Preview" in the far left, and beside that will be some items, one of which is "Tools." Click on that and a drop down box will open with one option being "Adjust Size." Click on that one and then in the width box enter anything under 1500. The Height should then adjust automatically to stay proportional. Now click on OK. The image will immediately resize. Now click on the top bar "File" and "Save" and your new small image will be saved over the larger one. Now try to upload that smaller image. If you want to keep the original image just in case, then instead of "Save" use "Rename" to give the smaller image a different name and then Save it.

IWT
12-18-2017, 06:01 PM
Right, Frank - there you have it. In detail from Jake and in illustrative form from me (post #68).

If you are having difficulty posting the image, then refer to Sue's post #65.

We have the patience - we were all there once ourselves - give it another go:)

Ian

ckristoff
12-21-2017, 09:40 AM
I'm trying once more. Thank you all for your patience.27626

Something has happened, I'm not sure what - I'll see when I press enter.

Frank.

ckristoff
12-21-2017, 09:47 AM
Hello friends,

after several weeks, here is the image I've been talking about.

What I'd like to get rid of, is that bar to the left of the forum page. It has 5 items on it and I can't figure out how to delete it.


Frank.

MacInWin
12-21-2017, 09:49 AM
To make the sidebar go away, on the top bar, select "View" and then "Hide Sidebar."

IWT
12-21-2017, 09:58 AM
It's called the Sidebar, Frank and is a legitimate part of the Safari app.

To get rid of it, you have a least 2 options:

1. On the same line as the red, amber and green dots; look to your right: you have a left-facing arrowhead, then a right-facing arrowhead - then a little square which is split by a vertical line. Click on that to make it disappear. Click on it to make the Sidebar re-appear.

2. From the top Menu Bar, click on "View" and choose "Hide Sidebar". You can make it come back again by View > "Show Sidebar".

There you go.

Ian

IWT
12-21-2017, 10:00 AM
Ah, Jake, you got there first. I'm a hopeless typist!

Ian

MacInWin
12-21-2017, 10:35 AM
Ian, who knew that my typing class way back in 1962 would have become my most-used skill!

ckristoff
12-22-2017, 02:16 PM
Hello Ian, hello Jake,

thank you ever so much, for coming to my rescue! I've got rid of the sidebar - easy when you know how!

My main problem in life, is not to try out new things. The way I'm finding it hard to make best use of my Mac, is exactly how I used to with a PC decades ago. How many times did I ask my son for advice! If I studies the menus on top bar on the left, I may have EVENTUALLY discovered HIDE SIDE BAR.


Ok, 1 of my next jobs is too find Malware. I assume there is a Mac version. Is it easy to install?

Then I need to figure out how to get rid of McAfee Anti-Virus, which I'm told I do not need. Something else I do not need is any Cloud stuff. Don't understand it and simply don't want it. My retailer installed all this bull onto my Mac.

This is enough stuff for me to get on with until New Year! As always, I would welcome your advice please.


Frank.

Slydude
12-22-2017, 02:36 PM
iCloud isn't something specifically installed on the Mac it is an Apple service that is available for use if you want/need it. Not really necessary to remove it. Until you sign in to it nothing really happens.

Check your hard drive for a MacAfee Uninstaller. If it is present it is probably in the Applications folder. If you can't find one, post back and tell us exactly which version of MacAfee you have.

As far as getting rid of malware is concerned, the program of choice around here is MalwareBytes for Mac (https://www.malwarebytes.com/mac/). The free version is fine. After a time it will nag you to pay but I don't think that is necessary. Running the program is pretty self-explanatory.

RadDave
12-22-2017, 02:37 PM
Ian, who knew that my typing class way back in 1962 would have become my most-used skill!

Jake - that was the same year I took typing in High School (Bedford Senior HS, Temperance, Michigan) - we were on non-electric machines! Dave :)

ckristoff
12-22-2017, 03:08 PM
Slydude,

once more thank you for your help.


Frank.

MacInWin
12-23-2017, 12:11 AM
Jake - that was the same year I took typing in High School (Bedford Senior HS, Temperance, Michigan) - we were on non-electric machines! Dave :)
Here, too, Dave. Those old machine had a huge "throw" when you pressed the keys. In college I got an electric portable. Envied the IBM Selectrics when they came out, but couldn't afford one. Ah, the good old days!

ckristoff
12-24-2017, 03:55 PM
Hello friends, it's me again!

Just come onto the Mac, and I'm presented with a FaceTime pop up message. Disk not ejected properly. Eject "My passport for Mac" before disconnecting or turning it off.

I'm absolutely amazed, to my knowledge, there is no disc in the superdrive, unless one of my family have put one in. I've pressed the eject button, on the top right of keyboard many times, but nothing happens. What do I do?


Frank.

MacInWin
12-24-2017, 04:22 PM
That message doesn't really have anything to do with your superdrive, but refers to attached storage devices. Apparently you had something named "My passport for Mac" that was connected to your Mac and was disconnected without properly "ejecting" or "unmounting" it from the system first. That device could be a USB stick, or an SD card, or an external hard drive, or even a .dmg file that you opened (.dmg files are "disk images" that look to the system as if they were drives that an be opened). I have no idea why FaceTime is involved, but that could just be a coincidence. That is a system message that will appear anytime a mounted drive is disconnected without being unmounted first.

To unmount devices/drives, you right click on them, then select "Eject <name>" and the device will be properly closed out and unmounted. You can also drag a drive icon to the trash and it will unmount. Ditto with .dmg files that mount, just right click or drag to trash.

ckristoff
12-24-2017, 04:35 PM
Thank you Jake,

oh, I see! on my desktop is an icon called " My Passport For Mac ". So I'm assuming I can just drag that to the trash? I can't remember how it got there.

I've searched web and found a UK forum called. mac4mac.co.uk. Would this be any good?



Frank.

MacInWin
12-24-2017, 04:44 PM
Well, I personally would look at it before just dragging to the trash, but yes, that's how you would unmount it. "My Passport" is the name, I think of an external hard drive.

I don't know anything about mac4mac, sorry.

IWT
12-24-2017, 05:12 PM
Hi Frank

My Passport (for Mac) is a Western Digital Hard Drive (Western Digital is the manufacturer).

It is designed for backing up data from your Mac. It can be used for any purpose; just data or Time Machine backups.

The word "Drive" applies to Internal and External Hard Drives (as well as something you put in an Apple Super Drive or any other make of optical hard drive).

When "My Passport" is mounted (i.e. attached or connected) to your Mac via a USB, and you wish to unmount (disconnect) it, you can't just pull out the cable. You need to do this formally. Here are the ways:

1. Assuming it shows up on your Desktop, Right Click on it and choose "Eject".

2. Drag it from the Desktop to trash.

3. In Finder, under "Devices" (far left sidebar), select the Drive by Right clicking on it, and then click on the "Eject" symbol - looks like an upward arrow with I line under it.

The warning you got was because someone, or somehow, disconnected the Drive without going via the above. Not a good idea as the Drive and its contents can become corrupted and unusable.

Nice to hear from you.

Merry Christmas.

Ian

ckristoff
12-24-2017, 05:55 PM
Thanks Ian,

as far as I can remember, it has shown on my desktop from day one. I've just double-clicked on it, and its full of daily back-ups. I wish you also, a Happy Christmas.


Frank.

IWT
12-24-2017, 06:13 PM
and its full of daily back-ups

Do you mean Time Machine backups or do you mean you/someone is manually backing things up to it?

If Time Machine, then best left mounted, allowing to do its job. If it's a manual backup, then up to you whether you eject and then remount as needed; or leave it.

Ian

ckristoff
12-24-2017, 06:18 PM
Hello Ian, I believe it is Time Machine. I haven't got the brains for anything else!


Frank.

IWT
12-24-2017, 06:29 PM
Frank, you are too modest.

Okay, Time Machine it is. Assuming it is properly mounted and showing on your Desktop, just leave it to do it's job.

If it's currently unmounted and not showing, then re-connect the Drive - best if it is to a USB port on the Mac rather than through a Hub.

Any problems with Time Machine. Post back. Our help is endless - well actually it does have an end; 31 December 2017. That's when we are being shut down, as I think you know.

Ian

ckristoff
12-25-2017, 12:56 PM
Thank you Ian,

it is an awful shame about the closure.

Another question I'm afraid. During March or April, I shall moving to a new bungalow. I think I've heard that there is a procedure, in order to un-mount all my connections from the back of my Mac. In my new home, I then need to re-mount them all, in order to connect them to the back of the Mac? Do they have to be re-connected to the same ports as originally? I can appreciate that the Mac way of doing things is very right on!

Dear me, on my PC, to my knowledge, everything is plug and play. Plug out, then plug in , any which way you please; of course I may be wrong, but that's how I've always done things! :D


Frank.

IWT
12-25-2017, 02:00 PM
Hi Frank,

It's easier than you imagine.

Before you move, Eject/Unmount all External Hard Drives (EHD) first, then pull out the cable from the Mac. This should leave you with just the power cable to the Mac.

Now Shut Down your Mac. To do this, click on the Apple icon , top left top menu bar. From the drop down, choose "Shut Down". Wait....wait...wait... till you're sure all power is off. Can take a while because the Mac closes down all open apps, does some housekeeping etc, then powers off.

Off you go to your bungalow.

When ready; connect the power cable and then press and hold in the power button on the back of the Mac (Left side as you look at it). You only have to press it in for a few seconds. The Mac will power up.

When that's done, reconnect all the EHDs one at a time. No, it doesn't matter what order you do this or which port you use. Give each one time to mount.

All of which seems intuitive and pretty straightforward.

There we are.

Next question, please:Mischievous:

Ian

harryb2448
12-25-2017, 03:05 PM
Frank, have you read the thread about the vorums closing in five days?

May I suggest you advise Dennis of your email address by personal message as our mods are trying to set up a new forum and we willall want to be in it.


http://www.mac-forums.com/news-and-community-announcements/344599-mac-forums-shutting.html

Rod Sprague
12-25-2017, 07:01 PM
Hi Frank, Merry Christmas. I haven't contributed much to this thread because Ian and others have beaten me to it but I have been reading the posts. You can see that this thread now runs to 7 pages and as you know this site is closing on 31st. So can I just suggest that if you think you may want to refer back to any answers you have received you might want to save them.
You can do this by copying any text in a post and pasting it into a blank document created with either Pages or MS Word.

Slydude
12-26-2017, 12:37 AM
You can also export the thread as a PDF. The option is in the File menu in Safari. In other browsers you may have to go to the print menu.

ckristoff
12-27-2017, 10:32 AM
Hello Rod, hello Slydude,

thank you both for your suggestions. I believe that you think I'm more clever than you think I am! I hear what you both say, but don't know if I can accomplish that. Even on a PC I couldn't do it. I simply going to print each section in turn and put up with the wasted pages! So I'm on the Mac, with this thread open. so if I use File menu, what do I do?

Excuse me for being dumb and dumber; it's difficult being Frank!

ckristoff
12-27-2017, 11:08 AM
Friends, it is me again.

On my desktop, I have an Icon Mackintosh HD. I'm assuming it's my Mac's internal hard drive. Now, I haven't achieved anything with my Mac as yet; no files, folders - I haven't even used Bookmarks yet! Question, how do I check this hard drive to see what's on it and the free space it has?

Looking through other forum threads, I came across the word Firewall. Does my Mac have this? Is it automatically on?


Frank.

RadDave
12-27-2017, 12:29 PM
Friends, it is me again.

On my desktop, I have an Icon Mackintosh HD. I'm assuming it's my Mac's internal hard drive. Now, I haven't achieved anything with my Mac as yet; no files, folders - I haven't even used Bookmarks yet! Question, how do I check this hard drive to see what's on it and the free space it has?

Looking through other forum threads, I came across the word Firewall. Does my Mac have this? Is it automatically on?


Hi Frank - have you discovered Finder yet? On the far left of the dock is an icon w/ faces looking at each other sharing a smile - that is Apple's equivalent of 'Windows Explorer' (not quite the same, so you'll need to learn how to use the app). Below are five annotated screen captures from my MBPro: 1) Pic 1 - Finder is opened & my HD is selected showing the System and User folders; 2) Pic 2 - my Users folder is opened and my 'user profile' is 'david***' (* my last name); 3) Pic 3 - Right clicked on the HD icon -> Get Info - shows plenty of stats including the HD capacity, usage and 'free storage' (circled); 4) Pic 4 - Finder Preferences opened - the items appearing on your 'Desktop' can be selected (or deselected) - also look at the 'Sidebar' tab - items can similarly be added or deleted from that location; and 5) Pic 5 - another way to look at computer stats and HD info is to click on the Apple -> About This Mac which generates the middle image (see tabs at top) - select 'Storage' for the lower image; finally clicking on 'System Report..' will provide all you need to know about your computer.

WARNING - please do not go into these folders and start deleting files until you know what they mean - you can easily disable your computer. Dave :)

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Slydude
12-27-2017, 12:58 PM
Hello Rod, hello Slydude,

thank you both for your suggestions. I believe that you think I'm more clever than you think I am! I hear what you both say, but don't know if I can accomplish that. Even on a PC I couldn't do it. I simply going to print each section in turn and put up with the wasted pages! So I'm on the Mac, with this thread open. so if I use File menu, what do I do?

Excuse me for being dumb and dumber; it's difficult being Frank!
Later today I plan to post the last Mac-Forums video chat. It will likely be a very short show but as a final help tip I'll include a video tip. I'll post the link here as soon as it is all set up.

Edit: The tip I plan to demo will include how to export pages from the web using Safari.

Rod Sprague
12-27-2017, 06:26 PM
Hello Rod, hello Slydude,

thank you both for your suggestions. I believe that you think I'm more clever than you think I am! I hear what you both say, but don't know if I can accomplish that. Even on a PC I couldn't do it. I simply going to print each section in turn and put up with the wasted pages! So I'm on the Mac, with this thread open. so if I use File menu, what do I do?

Excuse me for being dumb and dumber; it's difficult being Frank!

Hi Frank as usual there are several ways if doing anything on a Mac.
To copy a post, and I'm assuming you don't want to copy them all, is just a copy and paste process.
Put your cursor at the beginning of the post you want and holding the left button down drag the cursor diagonally to the bottom of the post.
Now all of the text should be highlighted. Release the left mouse button and placing the cursor anywhere in the highlighted text press the right mouse button, a menu will appear. Scroll the mouse down the menu to "copy" and left click. (Or press Command and C on your keyboard).
The selected text will now be on your "clipboard".
Now open a word processor eg. MS Word or Apple Pages.
Open a new document.
The cursor should be at the beginning of the document (if not put it there) so you can right click the mouse and select paste from the menu or Command and V and your copied text will be pasted into the new dicument.

ckristoff
01-23-2018, 10:28 AM
Hello friends,

we are still open? Wonderful!

I've just telephoned Canon UK, who have emailed me 2 links, to download to my Mac, so that I can use the latest software for my Canon 7D camera.

Now what I would like to know, is how do I manage to do this, in order to put Canon's DPP raw programme and Canon's Eos Utilities, onto my Mac, please? Do I need to create a folder, first of all? I hear some members say not to keep folders on the desktop - why not?

Once you kind people have helped me to achieve this task, I can then look at my Photoshop Elements software - which I haven't touched yet.

You may ask, what am I up to? I'm making slow progress in learning about my Mac and Sierra. For past 5 weeks, I have had bad flu and viruses. Then I've got grandchildren, taking up my time, and when computer is on, they want youtube nonsense.

I thank you in advance, for your kind help.


Frank.

badshoehabit
01-23-2018, 10:50 AM
From what I can gather from descriptions online, EOs Utilities facilitate the import from camera and DPP will do all the organising for you. As an app, you can pull DPP it to the Dock and keep it there.

From the Canon site for EOs Utilities: Clicking on the ‘Starts to download images’ button downloads all the images and video clips on the camera’s memory card to your computer. By default, images are saved in your Mac or PC’s Pictures folder and sorted by date into sub folders. By default all JPEG images are opened in Digital Photo Professional.




http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/product/canon_software/understanding_eos_utility.do
https://www.canon.co.uk/dppsoftware/

MacInWin
01-23-2018, 10:53 AM
Without knowing what the links are, there should be installers there for the software. It should be installed to the Applications folder and show up in that folder in Finder.

Depending on what Canon has done, there are multiple ways to install software: 1) The easiest is that what Canon has for you is the application itself, in which case all that has to be done is to copy it to the Applications folder in Finder. 2) The next easiest way is that what Canon has is an installer that does that for you. The icon for both 1 and 2 may be the same, which can lead to some confusion, although not catastrophic. Just do whatever Canon says to do. The worst that can happen is that when the installer runs(assuming option 2) you will then see TWO icons with names "application" and "application2" in the Applications folder. The one with the "2" will be the real application, the other is the installer. The third way it could go is that Canon has a more complex installer package, for which the icon usually looks like a wooden box. In this case you double-click the box to run the installer and at the end of the activity the app(s) will be installed in the Applications folder for you.

As for folders on the desktop, there is a consensus that the desktop should be clean. Some folks believe it will slow down the Mac to have too much stuff on the desktop, but in my experience that slowdown is only for boot up. When it boots, the system has to look into the applications to get the icons for the desktop, which can add time to the boot process. In operations, once booted, I see no degradation with icons on the desktop. However, I try to keep mine clean just so I can find things. Applications I use frequently I put on the Dock, not on the Desktop.

ckristoff
01-23-2018, 12:30 PM
Hello Sue, hello Jake,

thank you for your replies. I apologise for MY late reply, I had a visitor in the meantime.

Before I forget, I'll type out the links I received from Canon UK.

For DPP. https://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/cameras/digital_slr/eos_7d.aspx?type=software&softwaredetailid=tcm:13-1309840

Eos Utility. https:www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/cameras/digital_slr/eos_7d.aspx?type=software&softwaredetailedid=tcm:13-1643074


Right, my next question is what do I do with these 2 links? Do I create folders for them? Or do I put them on the Dock, if so, how? I apologise for being stupid, because I am.

As for DPP, all I do with it, is to do whatever minimal processing that I'm able to do, which isn't much! As for organising my photo files, on my PC, I've stored my photos across a bunch of folders, many are on 3 external hard-drives. I use Jpeg and Raw images.

If I remember right, the dock is that bar at bottom of screen with bunch of icons, such as Safari. Ok, I need help with putting DPP and Eos Utilities on there please.



Frank.

MacInWin
01-23-2018, 12:54 PM
OK, Canon has made it as hard as they could. I went to the first site you linked. You have to first select that you want to download software, then you have to select the operating system you want it to run in. That's a challenge as they do not list High Sierra. However, they do list Sierra, so if I were you I would try that one. Once you have selected the OS, you do the download and the file ends up in your Downloads folder (in Finder). The file is named "dppm3.15.0-updater.dmg.zip" which is a zipped version of a disk image file. Double click on that and in the downloads folder should appear another entry for "dppm3.15.0-updater.dmg" that is the uncompressed disk image. Now double click on that an you will get a message from Gatekeeper that this image came from a non-Apple source and for you to confirm you trust it to be opened. Answer that so that it will open. Next is a window with an icon for the installer for DPP. Once you click that, you get another message to confirm you want to do that. When the installer starts, it first asks for your general location by region. At that point I quit the installation because I don't really want it to install on my system, but I presume that you continue to follow prompts until it's installed. You may be asked for your password to install. When done, it should be in your Application folder in Finder. If you want it on the dock, click and drag it from the Applications folder to the Dock and drop it there. Assuming Canon is consistent, the same process should install the EOS utility as well. I didn't try that.

EDIT. Once done, you will see on the desktop a white icon looking like a disk drive named "dppm2.15.0-updater" that can be tossed in the trash. You can also delete the downloaded zip and dmg files from the Downloads folder once the installation is done.

IWT
01-23-2018, 01:06 PM
Frank,

You are not stupid, merely lacking information about something.

This is how I see things - I welcome agreement or otherwise from my friends here:

Click on the first Link and it automatically takes you, via whatever default browser you use, straight to the Canon website.

The very first item is DPP - Click on "check for available downloads" - this opens new page - and there it is "Download"; click on that and the download process will begin by itself.

I can't test this because I don't use Canon cameras and don't want to mess about.

But the most likely thing is that this Software - for that is what it is - will go to your Downloads Folder.

When that is done, use Finder > Downloads (which you will see on the left). Open it. Now double click on the DPP. This will let you open it and, probably, invite you to drag the software to your Application Folder or, it might link the software to your Canon app. In any event, there should be obvious instructions on what to do. This step is fairly straightforward.

Repeat the whole process with the second link - EOS > check for available downloads > Click download.

Once done, the idea is that you use your Canon Camera, take your pics, then use EOS to download them to the Mac - in your case the Pictures Folder seems best, but you can put them in a Folder on the Desktop if you want. Or Canon my offer to Create a Folder. Follow their instructions.

Then use DPP (from Applications) to edit as you wish.

So EOS is for downloading from Camera and DPP is for editing RAW images.

Does that seem to make sense?

Ian

IWT
01-23-2018, 01:07 PM
Jake has beaten me to it and, by all accounts, checked it out so his info - although overlapping with mine - is more accurate/specific.

Ian

Rod Sprague
01-23-2018, 05:50 PM
Hi Frank, usually a third party app comes as an installer. I choose to download the installer to my Desktop. Double clicking on the installer usually brings up a window asking you if you approve the installation on your Macintosh HD and how much space it will take up. On completion of the installation you are often presented with the opportunity to drag the app to your applications folder, this may be in the form of a window with the app icon and the Applications folder. Just select and drag the app to the Applications folder in that window.
To place a short cut (alias) on the dock go to your Applications folder, locate the app, left click and hold and drag the app icon to where you want in the Dock and release. You will see that the app is still in your Applications folder, dragging to the dock just creates a shortcut.

ckristoff
01-25-2018, 11:24 AM
Hello Jake, hello Ian and hello Rod,

thank you all for your advice. I still believe that I'm stupid! I've printed off this page, because there's too much information for me to remember! Apologies for my late acknowledgement of your posts I was out all day yesterday and I was busy this morning.

I don't have High Sierra, so that's a good thing. First of all I'll read through your valuable replies. I may even attempt the downloads, soon. I have a coffee beside me. Once again, thank you all.


Frank, very grateful.

ckristoff
01-25-2018, 11:26 AM
I'm sorry friends,

can you remind me please where I find the applications folder? Is it in Finder, in the dock? Apologies.


Frank.

MacInWin
01-25-2018, 11:34 AM
Open Finder. Applications should be in the sidebar to the left.

ckristoff
01-25-2018, 12:25 PM
Thank you, Jake.

From an old fool!


Frank.

ckristoff
01-25-2018, 12:38 PM
Friends,

I've attempted to follow your instructions for downloading my Canon links. I've only clicked on the first one, and when I attempt to download, I get asked for the software disk, which I no longer have.

I'm not pleased, so it's back on the phone to Canon. I'm glad I've got a job number.

If I do get a programme disk, will it be easier to install the software, using the superdrive?


Frank ( not happy! ).

MacInWin
01-25-2018, 03:13 PM
That's puzzling, I never got asked for anything and the download went just fine. Can you tell us exactly what the message was? Maybe take a screenshot of it and post it? Given that there never was a software disk, why it would ask for one to download anything is most strange.

ckristoff
01-25-2018, 04:16 PM
Hello Jake,

thank you for your reply. When I first bought my camera, a disk for Canon software was included in the box, but it is long gone, I can't find it. I didn't write down the error message, I may try tomorrow.

I rang Canon UK, and they've sent me another email with 2 more links. I then contacted a nice lady from Robert Scott Ltd, from who I get my Eos Magazine. She gave me more help than Canon did. Apparently, I'll be able to enter the camera serial number, which should allow me to download the FULL software application. A problem I have is that I can't fully read the serial number. The nice lady said, I need to go to my PC, open up a raw image and find the exif data, where I ought to find the camera's number.

So far I've failed in this task. I
'll try again tomorrow.

Frank.

MacInWin
01-25-2018, 04:41 PM
Frank, progress is never a failure. I'd say you made good progress today!

ckristoff
01-26-2018, 02:42 PM
Hello Jake,

today and this evening, I have indeed made some progress. Thank you for your confidence in me! :D

This morning I went on my PC, opened DPP there, found a raw image, clicked on file and eventually found the camera's number - phew!

This evening, I've managed to download some softwares, following your instructions, which were excellent. I haven't located them to add to the dock. Do I need to do this, or can I just open them up from Finder?

Anyway, I'm switching off now, wife calling me for supper! Thank you for your excellent friendship and support. I'm going away tomorrow, to visit our new granddaughter - must bring my camera!



Frank.

MacInWin
01-26-2018, 09:52 PM
You don't need to move anything to the Dock if you don't want to. You can always run it from the Applications folder just fine. The Dock is just handy, being there on the bottom of the screen. It's up to you.

ckristoff
01-28-2018, 12:13 PM
Hello Jake,

thank you for your reply. 1 day soon I may look for the software, check if it works.

By the way, I've just noticed that my Mac has automatically put my 3 softwares onto the dock! How clever is that? I'm a happy bunny!


Frank.

ckristoff
01-28-2018, 12:19 PM
Hello friends,

I've had a quick look at my new 3 softwares from Canon - they look good.

Ok, what I now re-assurance with, is how to mount my camera, via its cable, onto my Mac. I haven't done this since last September and I've forgotten.

Also do I need to create a new folder, in order for me to store my photos? Or is Apple's Photo application simple enough to use? Sorry for more questions, I'm so glad this forum is still open!


Frank.

Rod Sprague
01-28-2018, 07:00 PM
Some app installers do that although it's usually an option. Try right clicking on one of them and you will see some options. One of them is "show in finder" just in case you would like to know where the apps actually are. The icons on the dock are just shortcuts.

ckristoff
01-29-2018, 11:34 AM
Hello friends,

I've got 2 outstanding questions in my last post.

Also, how do I find documents please? On Facebbook, I saved a page as document, which I want upload to my Facebook page. I've failed to do so, as I can't find it.

I apologise, but I'm trying, my brain ain't clever!


Frank.

badshoehabit
01-29-2018, 11:49 AM
It will be in Downloads and/or Documents. Go to Finder, open the folder one by one and see if you can find it by date or 'kind'.

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Rod Sprague
01-29-2018, 06:06 PM
Also in a Finder Window you can do a search for the document in the search box if you know even part of the title.

Rod Sprague
01-29-2018, 06:25 PM
Also Frank as an educational and practical tool you might like to turn on "Show Path Bar" for the Finder Window.
With a Finder Window open go to the View menu and click Shiw Path Bar.
Now at the bottom of the Finder Window you will see a bar which shows the path to any document you select in the Finder Window.
Move your cursor slowly along the bar and each enclosing folder will expand to show its full title.
You can also open any of the enclosing folders by double left clicking.
I have always had this feature on and I think it is a good tool to help any user to understand the hierarchy of how files and folders are stored on a Mac especially if they have been placed automatically by an installer.

pm-r
01-29-2018, 07:57 PM
go to the View menu and click Shiw Path Bar.


Ah yes, we do miss Ed Sullivan and his sheew…. :D




- Patrick
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ckristoff
02-02-2018, 04:26 PM
Hello friends, thank you for your replies.

I've been busy with health appointments, so I'm slow in acknowledging your help.

Sorry to be a pain, I still have an outstanding query on my post 121.


Frank.

MacInWin
02-02-2018, 05:11 PM
To make it simple, just use Photos. There is a way to have a folder of pictures, but that then leads to duplicating storage because Photos also keeps a copy. That duplication can be resolved, but with your current level of experience, just sick to Photos and don't try too much.

ckristoff
02-07-2018, 07:44 AM
Hello Jake,

thank you for your reply. I understand what you're saying. In one of my books, the author explains, if I want to use Photoshop Elements, to work on photos, it is difficult to export from Photos - is this correct?

I haven't connected my camera yet to my Mac. I wish to use my camera with the Canon software I downloaded last week. After that, I want to look at my images in Photoshop.

My mother has a Mac about 4 years old. She has a bunch of folders going down one side of her desktop. She likes to save photos she sees on Facebook.

I hear what you say about duplication, but I'm not too worried, as I'm not a power freak. I haven't got many programmes on my Mac, and I don't particularly do a lot with it at present. Apart from using googlemail and Facebook
all I'd like to do on my Mac, is play with images and music MP3's, which I've yet to attempt on my Mac. I haven't figured out how to use Bookmarks yet.

I haven't been here for a while, as my wife and I are busy talking with our builder. They are flat out, beginning to do all the internal work that needs to be done. We are hoping to move into our new home, by April.


Frank.

MacInWin
02-07-2018, 12:15 PM
Frank, you don't have to use Photos if you don't want to. It's the default for Apple, but you can install the Canon software if you want. There is also an application called "Image Capture" on your Mac that can download the photos and put them into a folder for you as individual files, and from there you can open them in Photoshop, or even in Preview (also included on your Mac). You can also view them with Finder in two ways: First is to just click on one, the press the space bar and the image will open in a window, with the arrow keys moving from file to file. Second is to use the Cover Flow mode of Finder, which is the one with the icon of a box with two vertical lines either side of it. So you have lots of options.

One small caution. I would avoid having a lot of folders on the desktop. At boot time, the icons for those folder have to be read from the metadata on those folder and files and may slow down the boot a bit. It's not huge, but it's real. So put the actual folder in your Documents folder, and if you want something on the desktop, put an alias there. To do that, right click on the folder, select "Make Alias" and then move that alias to the desktop. That is a much cleaner way to get quick access.

ckristoff
02-07-2018, 04:35 PM
Hello Jake,

thank you for your wonderful rep[ly. I'll definitely need to print this page - so much information to take in! So I need to discover "Image Capture" and "Cover Flow". I'm assuming I can find out about them on Youtube.

Thank you also for your kind patience, in helping a simple soul like me - I'm grateful.


Frank.

pm-r
02-07-2018, 07:16 PM
I'm assuming I can find out about them on Youtube.


Frank, Apple has quite a few manuals available you might want to check out:
https://support.apple.com/en_US/manuals/macos

PS: Don't forget to check the built-in Help that most Apple apps have and available from the app's menu bar.

PPS: Some apple "manuals" are actually versions of what the Help menu uses. :o





- Patrick
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ckristoff
02-11-2018, 02:16 PM
I've got no music on my Mac as yet. I do not wish to use iTunes.

I've come across a website called 5kplayer.com. I haven't had a close look at it, but it's free! What is MP4?


Frank.

IWT
02-11-2018, 03:28 PM
Hi Frank. Good to see you again.

MP4 is predominately a video format, but not exclusively. It can be used to play audio as well.

Here are links to explain in more detail:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-an-MP3-and-an-MP4-file
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14
https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-an-mp4-2438438

MP3 is exclusively an audio format.

As regards 5kplayer.com it can handle both audio and video, but is geared more to the video side of things.

Now - a question for you if you don't mind? Why do you not wish to use iTunes?

I ask because you must have a reason and because millions of others do use iTunes on Windows' PCs and Macs.

Ian

pm-r
02-11-2018, 06:52 PM
Now - a question for you if you don't mind? Why do you not wish to use iTunes?


Ian beat me to the same question, and I'd add that you do not have to purchase any of Apple's music to have your own music library.

I have an adequate iTunes library and yet have never purchase a single song/video from the iTune store.




- Patrick
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chscag
02-11-2018, 09:23 PM
I have an adequate iTunes library and yet have never purchase a single song/video from the iTune store.

Same here. We also use iTunes to store our home made MP3 recordings. It's not that iTunes does a better job of storing music or recordings, but that it's really the only convenient way to transfer those recordings on to iPods and other MP3 players.

ckristoff
02-13-2018, 01:12 PM
Hello IWT, hello pm-r and hello chscag,

thank you for your replies, and being able to read my mind! Until last year, on my PC, I used Windows Media Player, in order to store my own choice of music, as MP3s from my own CD collection.

I thought using iTunes would mean spending money, which I wouldn't want to do. I've given Apple enough money, by buying this Mac I'm using. I'll never buy an iPhone or iPad, because they're expensive, and I haven't got the brains to figure out how to use them.

Ok, how does iTunes work? Do I make folders for my music collections? Is there a function within iTunes to help me?

I apologise for my dumb questions, as I don't want to make any mistakes. Also, for next couple of months, my wife and I are getting ready for our new bungalow to be moved into. Once we settle in, I trust I'll have some more time, in order to play, with what I still consider my new toy!


Frank.

ckristoff
02-13-2018, 01:22 PM
Hello friends,

I just plucked up the courage to click on iTunes icon on the dock. Up popped a selection of radio stations. I found one for Christian music. I clicked on the logo and a box appeared suggesting download all of the music you need, get 3 months free. Now, I don't want 3 months free music - I would like to find music available for free - and forever! How do I go about this if you please?

With iTunes open, can I put in a CD of my own into the superdrive, and would be able to transfer the tracks I need into a folder, or whatever system iTunes uses?

Thank you, Frank.

MacInWin
02-13-2018, 02:30 PM
Frank, Apple has good support for new users. Here is one such article from there about iTunes and files:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204668

The process of moving the auto tracks from CDs to your computer is called ripping, and can be done through iTunes. It will rip them into the location given above, organized by albums and tracks. There are options.

Or you can just play the CD as a CD through iTunes if you want to do it that way.

Those are both cost-free. You only have to pay Apple if you subscribe to their Music service, which you don't need to do.

ckristoff
02-13-2018, 02:59 PM
Hello Jake,

thank you for your reply. I haven't looked at the link yet, I've been on here too long!

In simple terms, if I cannot use their Music service, without payment, I may as well take a closer lookout 5kplayer.com. Simply, I want to use a system that works similar to Windows Media Player.


Frank.

MacInWin
02-13-2018, 03:05 PM
Frank, you may have misunderstood. iTunes will do exactly that, let you play your media with no cost. Period. End of story. Rip it or not. It will just play media for you. That's what it is designed to do.

Now, IF YOU WANT to subscribe to Apple Music subscription, you may, but you do not have to do that. I would strongly avoid third party software when what Apple provides works for your purposes. No need to complicate things and add alien software unnecessarily. That's just going to add complexities when Apple updates the operating system and the developer of 5kplayer.com lags behind.

But, it's up to you.

IWT
02-13-2018, 03:23 PM
Hi Frank

iTunes, honestly, requires no particular skills. It does everything for you.

And it costs nothing - that is if you want to add CDs to iTunes, you get best quality reproduction; you choose which tracks to add, which to exclude.

Then, if you go in to the Store, you can search for any kind, genre or style of music you like. You can search on a composer, a specific title of a song, the name of an album, an artist - rally anything you can think of.

This brings up a selection of songs based on your search. You get 90 seconds of any track/song you want free. Like it? Cost = 99p. Don't like it = nothing.

You can therefore buy individual songs within an album, or the whole album. These are quickly downloaded in to your iTunes library.

Now "songs" is something of a misnomer. It could, indeed be a song by the Beatles or it could be a piano sonata, a classical overture (if short), a jazz piece or part of a symphony. You get the drift.

It costs nothing to import your own music and not much to download a "song" or a whole album.

After you've done that, iTunes will organise the music according to the definition of that music. But you can change that. You can create your own playlists - or let Apple Genius create a playlist for you based on your choice of music. No cost.

It doesn't stop there. You can rent or buy TV programmes, films, audiobooks; all media in fact.

As I've said before, 5kplayer is more geared to video than music although it will play both. Why bother with a third party app when iTunes does all that and more - and it comes free with Apple.

Apple Music is completely different. After a 3 month free trial, it costs £9.99 per month to access Apples 40 million albums from which you can play anything you want. Not for you (or me), but millions of others like it. Goodness knows where they find the time to listen to all of this!

Stick with iTunes, Frank. Until or unless you find it unsuitable after a fair trial.

Ian

pm-r
02-13-2018, 04:01 PM
I just plucked up the courage to click on iTunes icon on the dock. Up popped a selection of radio stations. I found one for Christian music. I clicked on the logo and a box appeared suggesting download all of the music you need, get 3 months free. Now, I don't want 3 months free music - I would like to find music available for free - and forever! How do I go about this if you please?


No need to buy anything there Frank, and I'd avoid most such promo's like the plague — unless they would actually work for you.

iTunes includes free Internet Radio stations, some free some with ads and you can try them from here and then if you find some you really like, just add them to your iTunes favorites list for easy access.

Apple seems to like hiding some things so you should be able to get to the Internet Radio by using something like this:

EDIT:
Or maybe this I just found:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH19478?locale=en_CA

and THIS:

Did Apple move this feature to a different place in the user-interface, yet again?
Or did Apple remove this feature altogether?
Nope, not removed…
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/298536/internet-radio-gone-from-itunes-12-7

2787527876



- Patrick
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ckristoff
02-14-2018, 05:45 AM
Hello Jake, hello Ian and hello Patrick,

first of all, I'd like to apologise, if you feel I'm ignoring you. That's not my intention. Ok, I'll not touch 5kplayer!

I'll definitely print off all this info ( that's what I like to do ). I need to knuckle down and get to grips, with what is for me, a new technology. Bear with me if I keep returning with more questions. So I can put a cd in the drive here and download whatever songs I wish to store on the Mac. So iTunes will automatically save my songs somewhere? Sorry if I'm dim, because I am.

Ok, I'd love to search for internet radio stations, and these can also be stored?


Frank.

ckristoff
02-14-2018, 06:23 AM
Hello Patrick,

I've printed off the links you provided, and I've attempted to follow the instructions on the first link.

After I click on Library, I do not see Internet Radio. Also I do not see Edit. I bought my Mac last September, does my Music app need updating and how would I do this please?


Frank.

IWT
02-14-2018, 06:35 AM
Deleted personal info.

MacInWin
02-14-2018, 11:09 AM
Frank, a couple of things for you. First might seem a bit pedantic, but it's important to use terms correctly. Copying a track from a CD to a portable electronic format is called "ripping" not "download." The difference is key, in that you CAN download music from the Internet as well, through either iTunes and Apple's music store, or Amazon or other music seller. But if you buy or own a CD, to transfer that music to the computer for later play is called ripping.

Ok, pedantic mode off now.

iTunes will store the tracks from the CD as individual files with the name of the track from the CD in the iTunes library. Normally you just use iTunes to get to the music as it's the easiest and iTunes is actually a not bad player. But if you really want to mess with the files (strongly discouraged), then you can see where iTunes put the files on the Advanced tab of the iTunes Preferences pane. It will show you where the files are stored. If you move them, iTunes won't be able to play them because iTunes indexes where it puts things and goes back to that location to find them. So the recommendation is to just stick with iTunes. However, the files are actually there if you ever really do need to get to them.

Internet radio is found by opening iTunes and on the left hand sidebar where the word "Library" appears, click on "Library" and a new button called "Edit" will appear. Click on that then tick any box you want to see on the sidebar. Internet Radio is one of the options there. Untick anything you don't want to see.

Internet radio is just that, radio. You don't store it on the system, you just play it. There may be ways to record it, but I've never done that.

pm-r
02-14-2018, 02:15 PM
Hello Patrick,

I've printed off the links you provided, and I've attempted to follow the instructions on the first link.

After I click on Library, I do not see Internet Radio. Also I do not see Edit. I bought my Mac last September, does my Music app need updating and how would I do this please?

Frank.


If you go to the link I provided above or this one repeated here, you should see an image and description as to how to add it back to the list if it was not selected as a choice.
It's under the subject:
Re-Add Traditional "Internet Radio" to the Sidebar
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/298536/internet-radio-gone-from-itunes-12-7


Apple tries to keep hiding it for some &^%$&f'n reason with each major iTunes update it seems.




- Patrick
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ckristoff
02-15-2018, 12:07 PM
Hello friends,

I'm finally getting somewhere! It pays if I slow down and read properly the information you've kindly provided me with!

Patrick, I followed the link you supplied above, and I now know how to find internet radio. I clicked on BLUES and I'm given a choice of 79 stations - wonderful!

Another dumb question. I know that I can rip my own music into iTunes, I haven't tried it yet; after I've got music onto my Mac, would I be able to burn my own collections onto CDs or SD cards? I believe I'm under the impression that iTunes does not like that.


Frank.

pm-r
02-15-2018, 03:27 PM
Another dumb question. I know that I can rip my own music into iTunes, I haven't tried it yet; after I've got music onto my Mac, would I be able to burn my own collections onto CDs or SD cards? I believe I'm under the impression that iTunes does not like that.


It' just "another question, " Frank!!! ;D

I don't do that stuff but I believe you can burn your iTunes music to disk etc. after it's been ripped that I believe iTunes might do when importing the music, and since Steve Jobs basically told the Digital Rights folks to shove it and their immobilizing attempts of the music recording industry.




- Patrick
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MacInWin
02-15-2018, 03:38 PM
The ripping process changes the CD files from one format to another. If your CD player can play MP3 files, then you can burn your own CDs of ripped music to make your own collections. You don't use iTunes to burn the CD, but some other product like "Burn" or Roxio Toast.

pm-r
02-15-2018, 05:38 PM
You don't use iTunes to burn the CD, but some other product like "Burn" or Roxio Toast.


Thanks for the correct info Jake.




- Patrick
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Rod Sprague
02-15-2018, 06:02 PM
Yes Frank, there are lots of articles about issues with iTunes but that's mostly because it is so heavily used. The app itself us not flawed in any way. It is and always has been the most effective means of storing, cataloguing and playing music that you already own. My music collection dates back to the 60's and is over 80Gb in size. Of course this was all music that I owned in the form of CD's and records. iTunes provided portability on other devices like my iPhone and a safe way to store all my favourite music over decades.
On the other hand is it the best way to purchase music? I would say no, but that is entirely price related. These days with digital streaming radio stations and the number of online music libraries I find it hard to justify buying music at all.
I do use Spotify which is free if you don't want to keep the music you listen to. If you wish to download what you listen to a subscription will allow you to keep what you like for offline use so for a fixed price you could download a massive amount of music but you must use the app (which is free) to play it. The trend is leaning towards not owning music these days because of the erroneous assumption that everyone is online all the time. For example my son only has play lists on his phone. The free version of Spotify allows you to save playlists, when you want to play something it is streamed to your device but you don't own it and you can't save it.

Rod Sprague
02-15-2018, 06:33 PM
PS. Have a look at this site and bear in mind there are lots of other alternatives but these are probably the top 5
https://freesiteslike.com/free-sites-like-spotify/

pm-r
02-15-2018, 07:44 PM
You don't use iTunes to burn the CD, but some other product like "Burn" or Roxio Toast.



Thanks for the correct info Jake.
- Patrick
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Hmmm…??? I thought something didn't seem correct from what I have read, and sure enough, one can burn ones music to CD right from iTunes itself and your music library, and right from the Apple mothership herself:
iTunes for Mac: Create your own CDs and DVDs

You can create these types of discs in iTunes:

Audio CDs, which you can play on any standard CD player.

MP3 CDs, which you can play on MP3-capable CD players or your computer. To burn an MP3 CD, all the songs on it must be in MP3 format. If your playlist includes songs in other formats, such as songs purchased from the iTunes Store, you need to convert them to MP3 format before you can burn them on a CD.
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH19494?locale=en_CA

and not much difference from an old article:
How to Burn a Music CD in iTunes
http://www.macinstruct.com/node/60

No need for third-party software with either.

EDIT:
And a illustrated method:
https://www.wikihow.com/Burn-an-Audio-CD-on-Mac-OS-X




- Patrick
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chscag
02-15-2018, 09:45 PM
This thread has wandered thru many topics. We are going to close it now and if Frank has any more questions, he can start a new thread in the appropriate forum.