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Backlighting
05-26-2016, 11:56 PM
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" -Thomas Jefferson

“We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute.”― Thomas Paine

“There is no difference between Communism and Socialism, except in the same ultimate end: Communism proposes to enslave men by force, Socialism by the vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide”- Ayn Rand

“Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player.”
-Milton Friedman

harryb2448
05-27-2016, 02:11 AM
And where does one find this Utopia?

Backlighting
05-27-2016, 03:02 AM
And where does one find this Utopia?
It must be built...1 voice at a time.

pigoo3
05-27-2016, 10:38 AM
Hey Harry…I thought Nambucca Heads, New South Wales, Australia would be a pretty good utopia!;);)

- Nick

cwa107
05-27-2016, 11:36 AM
Wouldn't it be great if we had a political party that actually represented those ideals, not just in rhetoric, but in action?

toMACsh
05-27-2016, 01:51 PM
Well, of course the phrase "legislate morality" is a code for something specific. Literally speaking, how do you establish laws without doing just that?

harryb2448
05-27-2016, 06:36 PM
Utopias all have the same problem. They don't work and neither will this lot.

Backlighting
05-27-2016, 11:05 PM
Utopias all have the same problem. They don't work and neither will this lot.
Better to strive for utopia, making gains throughout the quest, then continually plummeting toward the sewer.

harryb2448
05-27-2016, 11:57 PM
With Donald leading the way? Your world may be a sewer, mine ain't!

chscag
05-28-2016, 12:09 AM
With Donald leading the way? Your world may be a sewer, mine ain't!

Well Harry, it looks like we have a choice between a pathological liar or a congenital liar. Which one would you choose? Keep that spare room open in Nambucca Heads; you may have company visiting you after this November. :P O:)

Backlighting
05-28-2016, 12:38 AM
With Donald leading the way? Your world may be a sewer, mine ain't!
Time will tell if Donald will put us on the right track...right now it's all verbal diarrhea.

cwa107
05-28-2016, 12:43 AM
Well Harry, it looks like we have a choice between a pathological liar or a congenital liar. Which one would you choose? Keep that spare room open in Nambucca Heads; you may have company visiting you after this November. :P O:)

Canada is looking better all the time. Maybe Bryan can make some room for me.

harryb2448
05-28-2016, 02:29 AM
Please oh please take notice of Chris, Charlie. Canada is much closer and just think what you can save on removal costs. Could not see you guys handling the old copper phone lines 6Mbps so called ADSL+2!

pm-r
05-28-2016, 08:58 PM
Canada is looking better all the time. Maybe Bryan can make some room for me.


Most Canadian provinces have been offering any Americans welcome hospitality for some time now, but you'll have to accept and act according to Canadian ways to be welcomed, and BTW, who's this "Bryan" person to which you refer, or are you just a wee bit behind the Canaj'n times eh???

pm-r
05-28-2016, 09:03 PM
Please oh please take notice of Chris, Charlie. Canada is much closer and just think what you can save on removal costs. Could not see you guys handling the old copper phone lines 6Mbps so called ADSL+2!


My God!!! You guys have copper lines??? We've still got a huge population still serviced by outside galvanized lines — and some aren't even that lucky.




- Patrick
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chscag
05-28-2016, 10:46 PM
Most Canadian provinces have been offering any Americans welcome hospitality for some time now, but you'll have to accept and act according to Canadian ways to be welcomed,

And how is that? Is it the same way we expect all those Canadian "Snow Birds" to act who flock to Hawaii or Florida every Winter? Get real Patrick, and put your bias away. ;)

pm-r
05-28-2016, 11:30 PM
And how is that? Is it the same way we expect all those Canadian "Snow Birds" to act who flock to Hawaii or Florida every Winter? Get real Patrick, and put your bias away. ;)

Huh…??? Where did you get any of this "bias" bit from…??? But I think you're just reading something extra into what was said somewhere or somehow that certainly wasn't intended …

Edit:
Just in case it's needed…:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Canada+invites+americans&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

chscag
05-28-2016, 11:47 PM
But I think you're just reading something extra into what was said somewhere or somehow that certainly wasn't intended …

Easy remedy for that... don't say it and then no one will misunderstand what it was you intended to say.

cwa107
05-29-2016, 12:01 AM
Most Canadian provinces have been offering any Americans welcome hospitality for some time now, but you'll have to accept and act according to Canadian ways to be welcomed, and BTW, who's this "Bryan" person to which you refer, or are you just a wee bit behind the Canaj'n times eh???

You know him as Vansmith. I'm just kidding, btw... I have faith that cooler heads will prevail and the orange guy will be sent back to his bankrupt businesses post-haste.

RavingMac
05-30-2016, 09:06 AM
Canada is too cold for my blood. My plan is to secede and build a big wall around my property. . . ;)

pm-r
05-30-2016, 02:55 PM
Canada is too cold for my blood. My plan is to secede and build a big wall around my property. . . ;)


Actually it can get pretty darn hot up here and those "cooler" appearing temps just seem to be cold as they're usually in celeries rather than the higher furenhite as used in the U.S.A. And BTW, can you actually secede when you live "In Denial" or if Donald would let you, but he'll probably appreciate you building your own wall so he won't have to spend any of his money doing so. ;)

Actually even Donald himself, actually his wife I believe, thought Vancouver B.C. was a pretty nice place and someone made the mistake to let him in to build the high end Trump International Hotel & Tower high-rise. :$ :Cool: :(

Groovetube
05-31-2016, 01:29 AM
Yes it is, it's May and I've been running my central air already!

I would think Patrick is kidding, most Canadians would be expressing their apology at offending anyone pretty quick ;)

Well most of us anyway.

chscag
05-31-2016, 02:47 AM
You fellows up in Toronto actually have central air in your homes? As a kid living in New York, the only central air we ever experienced is when we took in a movie in the Summer. Living here in Fort Worth, Texas air conditioning is a must.

Groovetube
05-31-2016, 10:35 AM
Hell yeah! Everyone I know does! (Unless you're unlucky enough to be in a flat or similar rental with no CA so it a window unit...) you'd die from heat here in the summers without, super humid Summer's here, same as NY here. I don't think the slight distance north helps us out in any way.

chscag
05-31-2016, 06:11 PM
LOL, I kind of forgot that Toronto sits right on Lake Ontario. Yeah, I guess it does get pretty humid up there in the Summer.

Groovetube
05-31-2016, 06:43 PM
It's actually not a bad place to sit. Generally in winters we get the cold, but we often miss out on the snow unless you're north or the city. It's like a line, so many nights coming back from playing a show we'd drive through a horrendous snow storm and when you get within a few miles of the north Toronto limits, zero.

But Buffalo and surrounding to the south of Lake Ontario! Those poor guys get nailed every winter while we watch!

RavingMac
05-31-2016, 09:29 PM
If we get an inch of snow here everything shuts down for 3 days . . .

The above is not an exaggeration by the way, or at least not much of one. It may take a couple of inches to really close things down. :)

harryb2448
05-31-2016, 09:29 PM
Unusual to get away from the topic?

Groovetube
06-01-2016, 01:11 AM
I noticed that! A tour in the south I recall an inch or so of a "freak snow storm" (they called it) in I think it was Chattanooga? Everything was shut down and cars were sliding everywhere! I guess they don't do all season tires? Words of wisdom, if you plan to high tail it to Canada in the event of the great trumpet, make sure you have at least all season tires! I seem to recall at one point they were going to make snow tires in winter mandatory here.

We have bad political parties here too. And everyone fights about which is worse here too.

chscag
06-01-2016, 02:18 AM
We're all planning to join Harry at oceanside in beautiful Nambucca Heads, Australia. I don't drink but I'm sure Harry will have some good Australian tea (iced) waiting for me. O:)

harryb2448
06-01-2016, 03:27 AM
We have to stick together Charlie. Liptons Peach Ice Tea in fact!

Just give me a week's notice and I will be in Tonga alas!

Groovetube
06-01-2016, 08:46 AM
Hmmm. Far too many deadly creepy crawly and other types of critters for me there. And I'd be off kilter with the opposite seasons. Many good Australian, and New Zealander friends, but nope for me :)

But then our darker days are over and our new gluten free yoga master prime minister has declared "sunny ways" for us here. Hopefully he can help with some of our Canadian winters here. :)

pm-r
06-01-2016, 01:38 PM
Words of wisdom, if you plan to high tail it to Canada in the event of the great trumpet, make sure you have at least all season tires! I seem to recall at one point they were going to make snow tires in winter mandatory here.


Actually that's a very valid point, and heck Calgary Alberta got a good dump of snow just a week or so ago, and as for mandatory winter tires:


Quebec
Only the province of Quebec, which instituted law 42 in 2007, requires that all motorists install four winter tires on their vehicle, from December 15 to March 15. But there are certain similar laws elsewhere in Canada.
http://www.yellowpages.ca/tips/are-winter-tires-required-by-law-in-all-canadian-provinces/

At least we still don't have to winterize our Macs up here, at least so far…

chscag
06-01-2016, 01:54 PM
I spent a year in Northern Quebec at a joint RCAF - USAF Norad base (during a tour with the USAF) and I can assure you that you will go nowhere without four good snow tires or chains on your vehicle. We used 4 wheel drive military vehicles to get around that had chains on them and it was not unusual to get stuck. The year I was there we had 265" of snow. I still have photos of myself between 2 giant mountains of snow that were as high and sometimes over the height of the barracks roofs. Beautiful country though. The Summer was nice, lots of Pine trees and Mosquitoes as large as birds.

pigoo3
06-01-2016, 02:00 PM
I spent a year in Northern Quebec at a joint RCAF - USAF Norad base (during a tour with the USAF) and I can assure you that you will go nowhere without four good snow tires or chains on your vehicle. We used 4 wheel drive military vehicles to get around that had chains on them and it was not unusual to get stuck. The year I was there we had 265" of snow. I still have photos of myself between 2 giant mountains of snow that were as high and sometimes over the height of the barracks roofs.

This was before "Global Warming" Charlie!;) Now it's bermuda shorts & convertible tops all year round!!;);) LOL

- Nick

Groovetube
06-01-2016, 09:55 PM
Northern Quebec, now there you'll find the real stereotypical "Canadian winters" people often think we get in southern Ontario. I've had the fun of driving from sea to shining sea here across this country many many times (as I have the US) and the climate varies greatly here as it does in the US. We don't get near the snow and wild storms seen north of us, probably why most live down here.

Slydude
06-01-2016, 11:28 PM
This was before "Global Warming" Charlie!;)
- Nick
Anyone living where Charlie and I do knew about global warming years ago. :Mischievous:

pm-r
06-02-2016, 12:18 AM
Anyone living where Charlie and I do knew about global warming years ago. :Mischievous:


Speaking of which, I trust you have all survived all your recent floods and crazy weather lately in those areas…???



- Patrick
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Slydude
06-02-2016, 12:40 AM
We are good here in North Louisiana. Got some flooding in early March so some folks are still dealing with the damage from that. My area also got some pretty big storms last week and the Houston area in Texas is getting it pretty good today. Hopefully Charlie has some tricks up his sleeve to keep the rain out of his area for a while.

chscag
06-02-2016, 12:54 AM
The Dallas - Fort Worth area received quite a bit of rain enough to create some flash flooding in low lying areas. You can always read about some guy or gal who drove through water only to find out it was actually a swift moving stream of water. My grass is nice and green this year (for a change). Glad I have a lawn service. ;)