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poppi
01-25-2016, 12:42 AM
I keep my Photos on an external hard drive. When I opened the iPhoto tonight I saw a message that it is time to rebuild my cache. I clicked OK and when I looked a few minutes later there are zero photos in the fiel. Is it possible I inadvertently deleted all 10,000 photos?

Help please

poppi

nickyr
01-25-2016, 05:12 AM
With your external hard drive connected to your mac, click on the apple logo in the top left hand corner of the screen, then on about this mac and then on storage.

You should see your main HD and your external HD listed. If your photos are still on your external HD then this will show up as an amount being used for their storage. On mine it shows up as a magenta coloured block.

What does it state on yours?

chas_m
01-25-2016, 05:42 AM
I have never, ever, seen a message like that in iPhoto. Lots more details please.

poppi
01-25-2016, 12:05 PM
With your external hard drive connected to your mac, click on the apple logo in the top left hand corner of the screen, then on about this mac and then on storage.

You should see your main HD and your external HD listed. If your photos are still on your external HD then this will show up as an amount being used for their storage. On mine it shows up as a magenta coloured block.

What does it state on yours?

I am confused. I tried what you suggested. Clicked on the apple and about this Mac but only the basic screen appeared. I then clicked on more info and it lists hardware, network, and software data but nowhere do I see storage. I must be missing something. I did go to the EHD and it is a 4TB hard drive with 3.83 TB available. By the way I am at iPhoto 7.1.5 and 10.6.8 OS.

Also see my reply to the response from chas m

Thank you

poppi

poppi
01-25-2016, 12:08 PM
I have never, ever, seen a message like that in iPhoto. Lots more details please.

This is what it says in iPhoto help

Rebuilding the thumbnail cache gives iPhoto faster access to thumbnail images and the resulting display of the photos themselves. Over time, as photos are added and removed, this cache becomes less efficient.

When iPhoto detects a reduced level of efficiency, or when you upgrade to a new version, iPhoto prompts you to rebuild the thumbnail cache. If you choose not to rebuild the thumbnail cache at the time iPhoto prompts you, iPhoto will remind you again later.

IMPORTANT: It’s a good idea to make a backup of your iPhoto library before rebuilding your thumbnail cache.

That second paragraph sounds ominous. I have "rebuilt" my cache before with no repurcussions but never saw that warning

Thank you

poppi

chscag
01-25-2016, 02:43 PM
I guess we should also ask you..... Have you been making Time Machine backups or any other kind of backup? You can restore your entire iPhoto library from a Time Machine backup.

poppi
01-25-2016, 03:44 PM
I guess we should also ask you..... Have you been making Time Machine backups or any other kind of backup? You can restore your entire iPhoto library from a Time Machine backup.

Yes I make regular backups with time machine BUT let me explain my setup. I have 2 EHDs, call them G1 and G2. My original plan (which turned out to be unworkable) was to use G1 for iPhoto and iMovie and that is what I presently do so my iPhoto files are on G1. (I did this to keep my Mac from being overloaded with photos - I have 4 GB of memory). I bought the G2 to house time machine backups which it does HOWEVER after I had all this set up I learned through this forum that time machine backs up only the Mac and cannot back up EHDs (I assume this is still correct?). So, bottom line, if I have lost the iPhoto from the G1 drive it is GONE. I can't remember how large those files were but I suspect keeping them on the Mac will use up much or all of the capacity?

I do have the vast majority of my pix backed up on over a hundred CDs but restoring them from there would be an enormous task.

Can you confirm that what I have said is correct and if there is any hope of restoring the lost files?

Second question - how could Mac permit the cache rebuild to destroy all my files?

Thank you

poppi

poppi
01-25-2016, 05:30 PM
The mystery deepens. When I go to my EHD, the one that houses my iPhoto library, and click on the iPhoto Library > Get info it says the folder is 86.7 GB which would indicate that there are a huge number of photos there. However, when I click to open that folder it says I have zero photos. What is going on?

Thank you

Poppi

nickyr
01-25-2016, 05:36 PM
I get this when I click on about this mac. What version of OSX are you running?

poppi
01-25-2016, 05:41 PM
I get this when I click on about this mac. What version of OSX are you running?

I am at 10.6.8

nickyr
01-25-2016, 05:44 PM
Ah - that would explain that.

It would seem that your photos are on the disc.

Have you tried rebuilding iphoto by holding down the command and option keys while launching iphoto?

poppi
01-25-2016, 05:58 PM
Ah - that would explain that.

It would seem that your photos are on the disc.

Have you tried rebuilding iphoto by holding down the command and option keys while launching iphoto?

When I do that it gives me several options -Rebuild using small thumbnails, all thumbnails, Rebuild database. Recover orphaned photos, and Examine and repair permissions. Tried all of these and still no recovery

nickyr
01-25-2016, 06:11 PM
One last thing from me - with your EHD connected, open disc utility (this should show how much of your disc is used to store photos) and run verify and repair permissions.

poppi
01-25-2016, 06:40 PM
One last thing from me - with your EHD connected, open disc utility (this should show how much of your disc is used to store photos) and run verify and repair permissions.

Went to disk utility and clicked on EHD G1 (which houses the iPhoto) Had to click on information to see that it is using 169 GB but Verify Disk Permissions and Repair Disk Permissions are greyed out. Verify Disk and Repair disk (2 separate choices) are both available. Are these the ones I shouls use?

poppi

nickyr
01-25-2016, 06:45 PM
yes - try those. They should show whether there are any problems with your EHD. It's possible it's failing.

poppi
01-25-2016, 07:31 PM
yes - try those. They should show whether there are any problems with your EHD. It's possible it's failing.

Diud as suggested and received the following result

The volume G-DRIVE 1 appears to be OK.
Volume repair complete.Updating boot support partitions for the volume as required.

I should tell you that since starting the thread I imported 27 photos from my camera and they do show when I open iPhoto but all the suggestions I have tried to date do not make the original collection reappear

poppi

chscag
01-25-2016, 09:03 PM
At this point in time, you might want to try using data recovery software and stop trying to access the external hard drive where your photos are (were) stored. Since it shows that there are 87 GB being used it's likely that re-building the cache may have damaged the file allocation table resulting in damaged file pointers. However, the data is still there.

Try: Data Rescue 4 (https://www.prosofteng.com/data-rescue-4/)

Rod Sprague
01-26-2016, 02:55 AM
Poppi, with your enxternal HD connected startup iPhoto on your computer while holding the option key. You should see a small window saying Choose Library. How many libraries do you see? There will always be one on your computer because iPhoto cannot function without an internal library. If for example you were to disconnect your EHD G1 and load some photos from say a camera they would go into the 'internal' library which theoretically should be empty but you may be surprised.
The external HD iTunes library should have a different name to the internal library e.g. iPhoto Library 2
Just make sure you are actually viewing the library on the EHD you may be looking at the wrong library.

poppi
01-26-2016, 11:54 AM
At this point in time, you might want to try using data recovery software and stop trying to access the external hard drive where your photos are (were) stored. Since it shows that there are 87 GB being used it's likely that re-building the cache may have damaged the file allocation table resulting in damaged file pointers. However, the data is still there.

Try: Data Rescue 4 (https://www.prosofteng.com/data-rescue-4/)

Looked at that but unfortunately it requires 10.7.5 OS and I am at10.6.8. Also the free application only recovers 2GB data and I am reluctant to buy a program that might not work.

Thank you

poppi

chas_m
01-26-2016, 02:28 PM
This situation is one of the many, many reasons why we advise people to not fall too far behind the latest OS X releases.

nickyr
01-26-2016, 03:05 PM
and the need for a robust back up strategy

Rod Sprague
01-26-2016, 10:44 PM
and the need for a robust back up strategy

Love your new avatar.

pm-r
01-26-2016, 11:55 PM
This situation is one of the many, many reasons why we advise people to not fall too far behind the latest OS X releases.


Sigh… I'm sure the OP doesn't really appreciate reading your ongoing repetitious upgrade sermon with their situation at this point. Maybe time to cool it in certain situations such as this or at least provide something constructive. :Not-Amused:

nickyr
01-27-2016, 06:59 AM
Love your new avatar.

my brain hurts...

poppi
01-27-2016, 03:10 PM
Sigh… I'm sure the OP doesn't really appreciate reading your ongoing repetitious upgrade sermon with their situation at this point. Maybe time to cool it in certain situations such as this or at least provide something constructive. :Not-Amused:

That was my immediate thought but not wanting to offend anyone I chose not to comment. Your comment is very much appreciated.

That said I have some very good news to report. I tried all the many suggestions offered but none of them seemed to work. Then, with absolutely no idea of what I was doing, I solved my problem. To refresh everyone's memory, I have two EHDs, one for digital storage (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) and a second I bought to backup via Time Machine. After setting this all up I believe I was told through this forum that Time Machine backs up the Mac only and not other EHDs. Even so, in desperation I looked at the backups and saw my G1 drive listed (including iPhoto) so went back pre problem, clicked restore and, after an eternity the files were restored including keywords and other features that had apparently disappeared. I have no idea why this worked but would rather have them back in ignorance than lose them and know why.

I find this forum an invaluable tool and it has solved many problems (not all) for me. I suppose analysis of my issues are more complicated because I am far behind most of you experts in operating system, iPhoto versions, etc but I sincerely appreciate the dedication and generous help offered by the community. I doubt Windows has anything comparable

Thank you all

poppi

chscag
01-27-2016, 03:13 PM
All is well that ends well. :) Glad to hear you have all your photos back and please do keep on making backups with Time Machine. ;)

poppi
01-27-2016, 03:21 PM
All is well that ends well. :) Glad to hear you have all your photos back and please do keep on making backups with Time Machine. ;)

Thank you chscag. You can bet on that

poppi

pm-r
01-27-2016, 05:13 PM
That was my immediate thought but not wanting to offend anyone I chose not to comment. Your comment is very much appreciated.

That said I have some very good news to report. I tried all the many suggestions offered but none of them seemed to work. Then, with absolutely no idea of what I was doing, I solved my problem. To refresh everyone's memory, I have two EHDs, one for digital storage (iMovie, iPhoto, etc) and a second I bought to backup via Time Machine. After setting this all up I believe I was told through this forum that Time Machine backs up the Mac only and not other EHDs. Even so, in desperation I looked at the backups and saw my G1 drive listed (including iPhoto) so went back pre problem, clicked restore and, after an eternity the files were restored including keywords and other features that had apparently disappeared. I have no idea why this worked but would rather have them back in ignorance than lose them and know why.

I find this forum an invaluable tool and it has solved many problems (not all) for me. I suppose analysis of my issues are more complicated because I am far behind most of you experts in operating system, iPhoto versions, etc but I sincerely appreciate the dedication and generous help offered by the community. I doubt Windows has anything comparable

Thank you all

poppi


I'm glad to hear things worked out for you.

But I think this might be a good time to mention and remind some people the iPhoto is not the only application for handling one's photos, if fact I know of some local photographers that now refuse tallow iPhoto anywhere near any of their photos.

If you're at least close to being like them and want better control of your photos, and safekeeping, I'd strongly suggest doing some web searches for alternate applications. And especially if one is using older OS X versions!!

Or at least export and keep original duplicates somewhere safe and backed up doesn't hurt either.

poppi
01-27-2016, 05:22 PM
I'm glad to hear things worked out for you.

But I think this might be a good time to mention and remind some people the iPhoto is not the only application for handling one's photos, if fact I know of some local photographers that now refuse tallow iPhoto anywhere near any of their photos.

If you're at least close to being like them and want better control of your photos, and safekeeping, I'd strongly suggest doing some web searches for alternate applications. And especially if one is using older OS X versions!!

Or at least export and keep original duplicates somewhere safe and backed up doesn't hurt either.

An interesting suggestion. Can you suggest alternative programs which are similar to iPhoto and are reasonably affordable?

Thank you

poppi

pm-r
01-27-2016, 06:02 PM
An interesting suggestion. Can you suggest alternative programs which are similar to iPhoto and are reasonably affordable?

Thank you

poppi


Sorry poppi, but no I don't know of any off hand.

I do very little with iPhoto and for the few photos I do keep, they are in my own user Finder folders which I give iPhoto access to and do its import. So basically I end up with duplicates. And at least iPhoto won't hold one set hostage. ;)

I guess I'd try a web search on 'mac iPhoto alternative' or something like that.

IWT
01-27-2016, 06:19 PM
@poppi — good for you!

@nickyr — I liked your Basil Fawlty; and I'm not from Barcelona. I guess I'll come to like the new one:)

Ian

nickyr
01-27-2016, 07:08 PM
poppi

I'm so glad you got your photos back.

I left iPhoto behind years ago and started using Lightroom to catalogue and edit all my photos. I use the monthly subscription which makes it affordable.

But, if your photographs are important to you, can I please, please stress the need for a more robust back up regime than just time machine. Hard drives are so inexpensive that you can have at least one extra copy of your valuable work / memories.

Personally I have a TM back up but also keep regular back ups of all my RAW files and edited images on separate hard drives. Overkill maybe but my images mean a lot to me.

nickyr
01-27-2016, 07:10 PM
@poppi — good for you!

@nickyr — I liked your Basil Fawlty; and I'm not from Barcelona. I guess I'll come to like the new one:)

Ian

Gotta move on Ian! Basil suited me for a while, but now I'm more D.P. Gumby!!!

Sawday
01-28-2016, 06:01 AM
I saw early on that the OP believed that TM did not back up external disks and scanning the replies haven't seen anything to counter this. Just for the record my TM happily backs up both my hard drive and external hard drive.